Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Misc. Forums > Aviation History and Nostalgia
Reload this Page >

Scottish pilot who helped sink the Bismarck dies

Wikiposts
Search
Aviation History and Nostalgia Whether working in aviation, retired, wannabee or just plain fascinated this forum welcomes all with a love of flight.

Scottish pilot who helped sink the Bismarck dies

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 13th Dec 2016, 08:17
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: UK
Age: 67
Posts: 170
Received 34 Likes on 19 Posts
Scottish pilot who helped sink the Bismarck dies

RIP, a true hero

A Scottish veteran pilot who helped to sink the Bismarck during World War Two has died at the age of 97.
Lt Cdr John "Jock" Moffat was credited with launching the torpedo that crippled the German warship in 1941

full article on BBC website at Scottish pilot who helped sink the Bismarck dies - BBC News
golfbananajam is offline  
Old 13th Dec 2016, 11:59
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: ZKPY
Posts: 105
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
However, the Bismarck wasn't sunk by the British. It was detonated by the own crew from within.
lansen is offline  
Old 13th Dec 2016, 12:01
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Great yarmouth, Norfolk UK
Age: 72
Posts: 640
Received 14 Likes on 12 Posts
Lansen,
Are you sure you're not confusing this with Graf Spee?

AFAIK Bismark was on the receiving end of a lot of heavy iron thrown at it by several large ships from the Royal Navy.....
bobward is offline  
Old 13th Dec 2016, 12:24
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Escaped the sandpit 53° 32′ 9.19″ N, 9° 50′ 13.29″ E
Posts: 591
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by bobward
Lansen,
Are you sure you're not confusing this with Graf Spee?

AFAIK Bismark was on the receiving end of a lot of heavy iron thrown at it by several large ships from the Royal Navy.....
Nope, he's right.
ExDubai is offline  
Old 13th Dec 2016, 12:56
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London
Posts: 7,072
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
well it sure as hell wasn't going to go anywhere once it was surrounded............... we'd have just kept on pumping metal into her until she rolled over
Heathrow Harry is offline  
Old 13th Dec 2016, 13:38
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The debate on the Bismark scuttling vs torpedo hole as the singular cause for sinking continues.
It is clear that the disabling of the twin rudder system was a critical, early blow.
Several deck shots from the British eventually disabled all the big guns.
There was not underwater evidence of holes below the waterline due to torpedoes, although a complete hull survey was not done. However, the stern section, known to be fairly weak in this series of ship, did detach from the major section of the hull causing seas to be taken on. Also, there was bow damage a day or two earlier in the first engagement, that caused some listing and pumping action.
So, there may not have been a singular cause for sinking. What few crew that were saved, in the know about scuttling, did report that was in process too, at the end.
pumpkin53 is offline  
Old 13th Dec 2016, 15:05
  #7 (permalink)  
Psychophysiological entity
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Tweet Rob_Benham Famous author. Well, slightly famous.
Age: 84
Posts: 3,270
Received 37 Likes on 18 Posts
Wing Commander Percy Hatfield. Not wanting them to know we knew.

The Bismarck [Archive] - PPRuNe Forums
Loose rivets is online now  
Old 13th Dec 2016, 15:12
  #8 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: UK
Age: 67
Posts: 170
Received 34 Likes on 19 Posts
This man, in his string bag, with his crew, launched a torpedo that effectively crippled the biggest threat to the shipping lanes in the Atlantic and who knows where else. He has sadly died and this thread is to remember him, people like him, the work they did and the sacrifice many of them made so that we can live our lives in freedom.

God rest his soul

Last edited by golfbananajam; 13th Dec 2016 at 15:12. Reason: typo's
golfbananajam is offline  
Old 13th Dec 2016, 15:24
  #9 (permalink)  
Psychophysiological entity
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Tweet Rob_Benham Famous author. Well, slightly famous.
Age: 84
Posts: 3,270
Received 37 Likes on 18 Posts
We could all nod respectfully, or we could fill the story of that astonishing act with a little colour. Further, it occurs to me that without the likes of Percy Hatfield, he may not have known where the ship was.
Loose rivets is online now  
Old 13th Dec 2016, 15:57
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: UK
Age: 80
Posts: 209
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 3 Posts
Sad to hear of Jock's passing. About 10 years ago together with forumite FD2 I was idling some time away as a visitor to Perth (UK) airfield. Jock was still an active pilot at that time and we were fortunate to spend a while in his company before he took to the skies. A very brave man.
Democritus is online now  
Old 13th Dec 2016, 18:55
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Glens o' Angus by way of LA
Age: 60
Posts: 1,975
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Here's a vid of Jock at a ceremony the Scottish Aero Club threw for him last year.

https://1drv.ms/v/s!AsUqLYgbkd8ekzicnAcew67rrS1B
piperboy84 is offline  
Old 14th Dec 2016, 01:10
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Scotland
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
AFAIK Bismark was on the receiving end of a lot of heavy iron thrown at it by several large ships from the Royal Navy.....
It certainly was, my uncle was on HMS Rodney during the battle. They were the first British Battleship to engage Bismark. He could have attested to the amount of iron and HE they were sending at her
expurser is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.