Can you identify these aircraft? Moscow 1934
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Can you identify these aircraft? Moscow 1934
This photo was taken by a member of the Westminster Choir College touring Europe in 1934. The airfield is in Moscow. I sent the picture to Janes with no success. I'm particularly interested in the high-wing tri-motor on the left of the picture. Nothing I have seen matches.
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The link provided redirects to your online mail account. Which, actually a good news, is not accesible from the forums. You'll need to upload the document to a publicly accessible location first in order for us to see it.
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PS: PPruners suggested I used tinypic; have not needed to try anything else since.
cheers, FD.
PS: PPruners suggested I used tinypic; have not needed to try anything else since.
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The link provided redirects to your online mail account. Which, actually a good news, is not accesible from the forums. You'll need to upload the document to a publicly accessible location first in order for us to see it.
cheers, FD.
PS: PPruners suggested I used tinypic; have not needed to try anything else since.
cheers, FD.
PS: PPruners suggested I used tinypic; have not needed to try anything else since.
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Yep, that works.
A major clue is the profile of the vertical fin and rudder.
Nothing is ringing a bell at the moment but I'll have a look at a couple of possibilities.
A major clue is the profile of the vertical fin and rudder.
Nothing is ringing a bell at the moment but I'll have a look at a couple of possibilities.
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OK, noted.
I should have paid closer attention to your OP where you said THREE engines.
The one on the left resembles a Fokker Universal except for the fin.
The positioning of the wing-mounted engines on the one on the right is, of course, the major clue there.
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I should have paid closer attention to your OP where you said THREE engines.
The one on the left resembles a Fokker Universal except for the fin.
The positioning of the wing-mounted engines on the one on the right is, of course, the major clue there.
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As fujii says, an ANT-9 could fill the bill.
Twelve were produced and they were operated by the Soviet/German airline Deruluft on the Moscow - Berlin service.
Latterly, the tri-motors used Wright Cyclone radials which could explain the three-bladed props.
Twelve were produced and they were operated by the Soviet/German airline Deruluft on the Moscow - Berlin service.
Latterly, the tri-motors used Wright Cyclone radials which could explain the three-bladed props.
The big one is the ANT 14 ,which was apparently being used for local flying over Moscow at that time.
How about a Kalinin K-5 for the beast on the left?
The Trimotor could well be an ANT-9. They were powered by a variety of engines over the years , so three bladed props are a possibility.
Bill Gunston, in his "Aircraft of the Soviet Union" describes " Mid-1931 decision to to fit imported US engine( Gunston indicates 300 hp Wright Whirlwind ,close to Stanwell's info) with Townend-ring cowl and ground adjustable Hamilton three-blade dural propeller......."
So that could fit the bill.
P.S. Stanwell, my bet would also be on the Cyclone historically
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How about a Kalinin K-5 for the beast on the left?
The Trimotor could well be an ANT-9. They were powered by a variety of engines over the years , so three bladed props are a possibility.
Bill Gunston, in his "Aircraft of the Soviet Union" describes " Mid-1931 decision to to fit imported US engine( Gunston indicates 300 hp Wright Whirlwind ,close to Stanwell's info) with Townend-ring cowl and ground adjustable Hamilton three-blade dural propeller......."
So that could fit the bill.
P.S. Stanwell, my bet would also be on the Cyclone historically
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Ah, yes.
I think you've nailed 'em, Haraka.
The ANT-14 (with engines removed?) Yes - Tick.
The ANT-9 (wearing Cyclones?) Yes - Tick.
The Kalinin K-5 (could only be, given the time & place?) Yes - Tick.
Long live the Revolution, comrades!
So, how's that for service, b1lanc?
p.s. We'll need a clearer image to be able to give you the life story of both the K-5 & ANT-9, OK?
I think you've nailed 'em, Haraka.
The ANT-14 (with engines removed?) Yes - Tick.
The ANT-9 (wearing Cyclones?) Yes - Tick.
The Kalinin K-5 (could only be, given the time & place?) Yes - Tick.
Long live the Revolution, comrades!
So, how's that for service, b1lanc?
p.s. We'll need a clearer image to be able to give you the life story of both the K-5 & ANT-9, OK?
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Thanks all. Interesting story behind the picture. The picture was taken by one of guys in the group. As they boarded the bus to head back to the hotel, Russian security noticed the camera. He happened to be sitting next to my mom on the bus and guessed what the commotion was all about. Hence, he took the film out of the camera and stuffed it into my mom's purse unbeknownst to her replacing the one in the camera with a new unused roll. The authorities confiscated the camera. Mom didn't know she had it (or where it came from) until she got back to the states. They all received a lecture on taking pictures from the security forces alleging that Russia had the largest plane in the world (but I don't see that in the pic).
Team effort: Fujii, Stanners and conf. from Herod and not forgetting tech .support from FlightDetent!
Biggest thanks to b1lanc for supplying a unique and fascinating image along with it's provenance.
And didn't we all enjoy exercising the brain cells!!
Biggest thanks to b1lanc for supplying a unique and fascinating image along with it's provenance.
And didn't we all enjoy exercising the brain cells!!
Dictatorial Control-freak Bolshevik Bolleaux hasn't changed much over he years, has it?
How sad that such a capable nation should subside into paranoid. self doubting xenophobic thuggery as it demonstrates weekly nowadays.
What a wasted opportunity.
How sad that such a capable nation should subside into paranoid. self doubting xenophobic thuggery as it demonstrates weekly nowadays.
What a wasted opportunity.
