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Old 28th Nov 2015, 21:43
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Concrete Arrows & The U.S. Airmail Beacon System




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Omega. The first world wide radio nav aid.
Omega was an idea stolen from Decca who designed the first Worldwide nav aid called DECTRA. This combined the principles of the Deca Navigator, originally designed by Bill O'Brien an American who could not persuade the US to build it, and LORAN C. The Decca Navigator company successfully sued the US Govt for $46,000,000 in 1976.
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Old 30th Nov 2015, 03:55
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Melboune, Florida

When I was first repeatedly going to Melbourne, Florida, on my project (1970s), there was a tower near US Highway 1 in downtown Melbourne that I'm sure was once part of the airways system. It was aligned along the JAX - MIA route. It vanished shortly thereafter.
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So these concrete arrows used for the US airmail beacon system... Did they only point one way, and you flew the route back against the arrows, or were there separate outbound/return routes?!
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It's been a long time, but I recall seeing one of these arrows pointing northward somewhere close the Mormon Mesa VOR which in turn is north of Las Vegas on a route between Las Vegas and Cedar City, Utah. I also recall seeing and using the lighted airway between Daggett and Las Vegas back in the vey early 60's.
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An other vintage Navaid:


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Greybeard:

Re your post (#40), I was seconded from Ansett to Malaysia in 1972; whenever someone there perused the Instrument Rating part of my licence the inevitable question was: "what's a VAR?".
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Cool

Dora-9, we are really showing our age, but I miss those days more than the latter years of automation.

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OK, I give up.

What is a VAR???
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"Visual Aural Range" Whilst flying in Oz we used them a lot, North/South legs were mostley visual, very much like a fixed card VOR left/right presentation, East/West were aural for the most part and were basicly the same as a low frequency range signal , {or was it the other way around?} Still have my lic with the VAR endorsement typed inside.
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Old 5th Dec 2015, 18:24
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My memories of the VAR's in WA (at least) were that the E/W legs were visual, and the N/S legs aural. But then again I'm using that potent word "memories". Greybeard?
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Visual E/W and Aural N/S was the way of Kalgoorlie

Visual to Perth and Forrest
Aural to Norseman and Laverton (or Leonora?)

Good route check stuff for me from Norseman on the aural.

I think there was another in the NT and some on the East coast which were different as the prime routes had the Visual.

My time on the DC-3 did not send me too far afield, they were stopped in June 1968 anyway except for the occasional freighter which luckily came my way from time to time

I found an Australian DME unit in my box of memories, all 12 channels of selection!!!

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CATC

Re #35.
Was that JT from The College Of Knowledge??
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Night beacons

Even earlier on the Nullabor Night Beacons
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Some threads are virtually articles wich is interessant for a noob as Me to read through and this is clearly such one.
I knew about the Decca-system, however I thought it was a sole Danish invention for the Danish Northsea fishermen, but now I know better, and this together with the several other electronic guidance-systems!

But it became an anticlimax that the story should end with the tale of Yellow concrete arrows ;-)
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No mention of Rebecca-Babs. Used that in 1952-3 . Homing on Gee accurate, fly down a postion line, if one happens to line up with runway. One did at Aldegrove

It wasn't you that crunched the BABS van with a Halifax mainwheel, was it?
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