M6 Kegworth on BBC News
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M1 Kegworth on BBC News
This morning I saw a BBC TV news feature on this accident and what lessons have been learned from it, quite an interesting feature too, so well done the Beeb. Not sure if it is being repeated throughout the day but glad to have seen it; marking the 25th anniversary in 4 days.
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Can still recall vividly the noise and flames as she came past the Church in Kegworth.
I'm sure lessons learned, 25 years on what would be different?
1. If it happened again, the chances as they were 25 years ago, of no motorway traffic being involved on a busy sunday night....Miracle
2. Now the internet would be full of u tube pics of the incident
3. Someone would mention fatigue.
I'm sure lessons learned, 25 years on what would be different?
1. If it happened again, the chances as they were 25 years ago, of no motorway traffic being involved on a busy sunday night....Miracle
2. Now the internet would be full of u tube pics of the incident
3. Someone would mention fatigue.
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IIRC that bit of the M1 has since been considerably remodeled and re-landscaped since the accident. Back then the motorway was in quite a deep a cutting which I think has since been opened out. The aircraft largely impacted into the western side of that cutting.
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One lesson the BBC report mentioned was the brace position, particularly legs, as several leg injuries were caused in the crash by being trapped beneath seats.
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perhaps you could kindly please edit your post heading to M1...iso M6
do you have a link please to today's BBC news clip i cannot find it thanks.
we are coming up to the 25th anniversary of the crash - a grim month 25 years ago as we had the Clapham junction train crash and Lockerbie just before the BMA crash.
i worked for BMA for many years and Capt Kevin Hunt was a good friend at work.
and many of my ground staff colleagues at BMA LHR worked tirelessly with the families of the killed and injured for along time after the accident.
do you have a link please to today's BBC news clip i cannot find it thanks.
we are coming up to the 25th anniversary of the crash - a grim month 25 years ago as we had the Clapham junction train crash and Lockerbie just before the BMA crash.
i worked for BMA for many years and Capt Kevin Hunt was a good friend at work.
and many of my ground staff colleagues at BMA LHR worked tirelessly with the families of the killed and injured for along time after the accident.
bbc 20 years ago clip
davereid many thanks indeed -
yes i saw that one but missed today's BBC feature...
a poster above said fatigue was/could be implicated - i do not think that was an issue with Kegworth? or i have missed something?
what can be gleaned from the accident 25 years on?
in no particular order
training implications from analogue style cockpit to new glass cockpit
Cabin Crew and CRM
seat strengths and crash worthiness
brace positions
engine manufacture and certification standards
yes i saw that one but missed today's BBC feature...
a poster above said fatigue was/could be implicated - i do not think that was an issue with Kegworth? or i have missed something?
what can be gleaned from the accident 25 years on?
in no particular order
training implications from analogue style cockpit to new glass cockpit
Cabin Crew and CRM
seat strengths and crash worthiness
brace positions
engine manufacture and certification standards
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First post edited, M6 changed to M1, apologies!
I cannot find any link to yesterday's report. The TV was on in the background while I was working and I did not hear much of it.
Thanks for that link Dave.
A sad accident, regardless of cause and effect they so nearly made it.
I cannot find any link to yesterday's report. The TV was on in the background while I was working and I did not hear much of it.
Thanks for that link Dave.
A sad accident, regardless of cause and effect they so nearly made it.
Briefly caught the same clip and what shocked me was the report that Kegworth was actually Britains last air passenger fatality. Immediately had to ask myself in quite some shock, can that be true? Stand to be corrected but even if its close, speaks volumes for the lessons learned and how far we've come since.
Waiting to be corrected but strikes me as quite an achievement
Waiting to be corrected but strikes me as quite an achievement
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It's less than 6 months since the last helicopter passenger fatalities:
Air Accidents Investigation: S6/2013 AS332 L2 Super Puma, G-WNSB
One of the issues from Kegworth was passengers understanding how to evacuate, and shortly afterwards British Midland (as they were then) changed their pax briefing at the start of each flight to emphasise the floor level escape route lighting, pax were told about this and then Look Now To See, and the lighting was switched on/off for a moment to show what it looked like illuminated. I believe there was an electrical mod made to their aircraft to enable this to be done straightforwardly from the briefing position. It was a British Midland thing you didn't see elsewhere.
About 10 years later, new world, new, reworded safety briefing, and that emphasised bit disappeared again. I do sometimes wonder why it is that SOME of the lessons learned from incidents get forgotten by subsequent generations of safety engineers.
I've seen exactly the same on roads, additional warning signage erected at a particular accident point, after 10 years or more without a repetition it then all gets removed down to the standard spec again.
About 10 years later, new world, new, reworded safety briefing, and that emphasised bit disappeared again. I do sometimes wonder why it is that SOME of the lessons learned from incidents get forgotten by subsequent generations of safety engineers.
I've seen exactly the same on roads, additional warning signage erected at a particular accident point, after 10 years or more without a repetition it then all gets removed down to the standard spec again.
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In September 1999 G-BYAG a Britannia 757 crashed on landing at Girona Airport, Spain. Although all pax and crew escaped the wreckage (some with serious injuries) one man died the following day.
I've seen reports that indicate an underlying medical condition was responsible and that that the crash had brought on his untimely end.
If this is true than one could say that was the last fatal accident involving British pax on a UK airliner.
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I've seen reports that indicate an underlying medical condition was responsible and that that the crash had brought on his untimely end.
If this is true than one could say that was the last fatal accident involving British pax on a UK airliner.
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I'm sure that was a misbelief, even though it was suspected in the days after the accident until proved not so. It even penetrated to the 757 as well. I recall a BBC TV news item a couple of days after the accident where they went to Luton and Monarch engineers were putting the Avometer on every file warning circuit in the fleet to check them.
if so how was it pilot error?
The remaining two were:
They reacted to the initial engine problem prematurely and in a way that was contrary to their training.
They did not assimilate the indications on the engine instrument display before they throttled back the No 2 engine.
I'm sure that was a misbelief, even though it was suspected in the days after the accident until proved not so.
"No evidence was found of any cross-connection or similar obvious wiring errors associated with either the engine instrument system (EIS) or the fire detection system".