KAI TAK
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KAI TAK
Watched a very interesting item on CNN today about Hong Kong. The former airport, Kai Tak. Has been turned into a modern cruise ship terminal.
I have wonderful memories of landing at that airport and it's great to see that it is still going to be used for travel albeit a lot slower and without the spectacular arrival.
The design looks really good and facilities second to none.
I have wonderful memories of landing at that airport and it's great to see that it is still going to be used for travel albeit a lot slower and without the spectacular arrival.
The design looks really good and facilities second to none.
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Yes it's good to see it's been put to good use. The old flying club still exists, but now only helicopter training. There's about 10 choppers based there now. The approach area to the checkerboard and final is now littered with high rise buildings.
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A while back, someone posted a pic of the chequerboard - very faded. But it did take much longer to resue the area than might have been expected from the usual speed of things in HKG.
There used to be a hotel called The Carlton on the hillside some way above the checkerboard. Back in 1968 Mrs TTN (or my fiancee as she then was) would sit on the terrace with a drink and I'd bore her by (mis) identifying the various types and carriers as they made their invariably spectacular approach to Kai Tak.
Amazed she ever married me!
Amazed she ever married me!
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Ah - Kai Tak! I watched it being built as a kid from my bedroom in a RN block of flats on Mt Austen above the Peak Tram. Had a flight in a Tiger Moth from the old RAF Kai Tak in 1958 which my Dad, an RN doctor, arranged. Travel to and from HK was via troopship (Nevasa and Oxfordshire). Initially it was DC 6 and 7s and once the new RW was open (1959?) in came Comets and B707s. School - KGV GS was out by Kai Tak - some journey from Mt Austen daily. I feel somehow connected to HK and Kai Tak in particular.
Must revisit some time now retirement beckons!
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Must revisit some time now retirement beckons!
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Last week on a slip in Hong Kong, I was looking from my hotel at where Kai Tak used to be and was remembering how it was in the late 50s to 60s. My father used to work for HAECO and quite often would take me to work. Always told not to touch anything, I would have a look around the aircraft whilst dad was working. A great time for a young lad in his early teens sitting up in the cockpit of various types including a USAF DC3, little did I know six years later I would be flying DC3s around the UK! I doubt it would happen now with today's security.
I started my aviation career at the Aero Club by getting my PPL in 68, it's hard to believe that 45 years have past. Landing off the IGS in later years was much more fun than landing at Chek Lap Kok!
mcdhu you and I were at KGV at the same time, it looks a little different these days.
I started my aviation career at the Aero Club by getting my PPL in 68, it's hard to believe that 45 years have past. Landing off the IGS in later years was much more fun than landing at Chek Lap Kok!
mcdhu you and I were at KGV at the same time, it looks a little different these days.
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When I was doing an IT project in HKG in 1994/95, I was staying Kowloon side (working in the container port at Kwai Chung).
One Sunday I took a long but planned walk from Kowloon under the flight path and followed the line up to the Chequer Board and then walked on down the flight line to the perimeter fence. Rode back on the bus. It was a great day.
One Sunday I took a long but planned walk from Kowloon under the flight path and followed the line up to the Chequer Board and then walked on down the flight line to the perimeter fence. Rode back on the bus. It was a great day.
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I used Kai Tak a lot in the 80s and 90s (and I also went to the Carlton). About that time China Airlines dropped a brand-new 747 into the harbour: the army had to blow the tail off with explosives as it was obstructing the runway. Shortly afterwards it was dragged out, and Kai Tak being the restricted size that it was, the only place to put it was almost outside the terminal. It made interesting viewing.........
Checker Board Approach - during the final turn
You could tell if you were a bit low, late in the evenings, because the F/O could hear the clicking of the mahjong pieces from the upper floors of the blocks of flats. Did hear that occasionally a washing line was careless enough to get itself snatched by a wingtip. LFH
You could tell if you were a bit low, late in the evenings, because the F/O could hear the clicking of the mahjong pieces from the upper floors of the blocks of flats. Did hear that occasionally a washing line was careless enough to get itself snatched by a wingtip. LFH
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My one trip in was on a British Caledonian Airways (remember them) 747 in, I think, early 1988. Looking into people's windows during that final turn was an interesting experience. At that time, if I remember correctly, buildings in parts of Kowloon were limited in height because of the proximity to the approach. Is that still the case?
buildings in parts of Kowloon were limited in height because of the proximity to the approach.
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buildings in parts of Kowloon were limited in height because of the proximity to the approach.
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I was stationed at Kai Tak in 1977 and lived in Married Quarters at Sunderland Road Kowloon, which was right in front of the chequer board, our MQ's were 3 stories high, our kitchen faced up the IGS approach and as an a/c approached you could tell who the "local" pilots were as they would fly a slightly wider approach, whilst others would follow the IGS religiously. My 2 yr old daughter could soon spot the difference between a Tristar and a DC10 head on. I once flew in the RHKAAF Islander and was in the right hand seat for the landing, we were asked to "expedite" our landing and runway vacating, a heavy 4 jet was following.
In mid '78 we moved up to Sek Kong, missed Kowloon though.
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In mid '78 we moved up to Sek Kong, missed Kowloon though.
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Hazy memories of friends on my yacht after a Po Toi run drinking far too many PSMs and watching some of the last departures in July 98.
A cloudy day IIRC.
What a unique place and arrivals hall !
A cloudy day IIRC.
What a unique place and arrivals hall !
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Was once in the cockpit of a 747 - flying spanner - when the captain flying the approach into Kai Tak lost it - our turn on to finals was a tight LEFT turn with the GPWS screaming 'sink rate',landed way down the runway and finally stopped on the piano keys at the far end.Scared me ****less as I was only a spectator watching what I knew to be a complete screw-up.
About a year after the airfield closed there was a programme on HK TV showing footage from a fixed camera showing some of the horrific arrivals at Kai Tak. One was a United Airlines 747 where the pilot unrolled 30 degrees of bank and kicked off 15 degrees of drift just before touchdown.
It must be on yutoob somewhere but I can't find it.
It must be on yutoob somewhere but I can't find it.
FED - The UA sounds to me like a masterly arrival in a typhoon ...
OTH, I think there are also one or two exciting videos ..... Misquote ....
".... where the pilot DIDN'T unroll 30 degrees of bank and DIDN'T kick off 15 degrees of drift just before touchdown." LFH
OTH, I think there are also one or two exciting videos ..... Misquote ....
".... where the pilot DIDN'T unroll 30 degrees of bank and DIDN'T kick off 15 degrees of drift just before touchdown." LFH
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well, if you're into internet history too, there's this site, practically unchanged in fifteen years, with some good photos of Kai Tak podstrikes and miffed landings. And for exciting video, the Alitalia MD-11 is still a classic.