BAC 1-11

[rog747]

can you imagine the noise when this lot started up!

Photos: BAC 111-524FF One-Eleven Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

plus a Cambrian 1-11 out of photo...yikes all those Speys winding up

the Super-jet 1-11 was a wonderful a/c in the 1970's for IT charters,

no pax steps needed and a good APU for nice and cold cabin in the Med summer,
baggage holds at waist level so you did not need a low-loader belt for
the bags, amazingly quick turnarounds could be achieved
Photos: BAC 111-523FJ One-Eleven Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

struggled a wee bit back from the Canaries & Corfu/Athens re range but what a wonderfully adapt a/c for it's time...agree?

any flyers out there flew holiday 1-11's???

cheers Rog

[CSman]

Yes I remember the loverly crackle we made , flew the 111 for 12 years with Cambrian and BA,scheduled and IT, on the Berlin corridors, around the Gulf for Gulf Air and on secondment to Air Malawi.Wonderful times ,wonderful Aircraft

[rog747]

CSman

oh cool,

i assume that was the ex Autair a/c?
G-AVGP photo - Glyn Woods photos at pbase.com
nice Cambrian feature here,
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what was the -400 series max range like?

could you do BRS or CDF- Malaga or say Tunis ok with 89 pax on hot day?

i see one route CFU-LPL that's a long one...how was that

Canaries?

cheers,

[A30yoyo]

BAC-111s at Malaga

Ha-ha....my b&w shot at the top was shot while waiting on the ramp on the way back from our honeymoon...we were on an I.T. Cambrian BAC-111 returning to Heathrow and I think we paid £30 each inclusive for a week in Marbella.
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1st BAC-111 I took the Mrs on was BCal Gatwick -Le Touquet (her first flight, she was terrified)....last was mid nineties European Air Services? Manchester to Pisa, most laughable airline breakfast I ever had on that (what do you expect for pennies, though?) I loved the ventral airstairs on the BAC 111

The BAC-111 route that fascinates me was the BCal route to West Africa via Lisbon & Las Palmas....real aviation back-water route with bags of history

[rog747]

great shot at malaga very nostalgic and you have some others in your albums too

[CSman]

Yes GP was the ex Autair aircraft,the other three that we operated in Cambrian, G-AVOE, G-AVOFand G-AWBL,all ex COURT LINE,Lots of info on the Cambrian Airways Web site ,also good range of all Cambrian Aircraft photos

[parabellum]

Teneriffe South to Manchester was the most fuel taxing sector I remember!

[PPRuNe Towers]

I loved it dearly and I'll always say I was so glad I cut my jet operations teeth on it.

Just don't mention hand pumping it full of de-min water and waiting a couple of hours to get out of Naples a couple of times every month. Eventually they'd take pity on us and steer the windsock in the right direction for our performance figures

Rob

[pigboat]

I would have dearly loved to have seen that airplane re-engine with Tays.

[ICT_SLB]

I once saw an in-flight video shot inside the Dee Howard prototype. Couldn't believe how quiet it was especially when the camera showed that they hadn't reinstalled the cabin insulation over where the rear fuselage had been mod'd for the Tays. Well after ROMBAC ground to halt, a manager at Canadair asked me about the 1-11 when I'd told him about a 100-seater equivalent to the CRJ - what might have been! After all the 717 is only a DC-9 with BR710s.

[SpringHeeledJack]

In the early/mid 90's I flew somewhat regularly on DanAir, due to price and they used 1-11's on the MXP-LGW sectors. Due to performance restrictions we had to make 2 or more large orbits after takeoff so as to be able to get up over the Alps looming in the vicinity. As an aside a few American pilots who knew of the 1-11 spoke very highly of it, perhaps due to so much noise coming out of such a small airframe



SHJ

[WHBM]

Originally Posted by pigboat

I would have dearly loved to have seen that airplane re-engine with Tays.

Isn't that called the F-100 ?

[Flightwatch]

MXP -

I flew the "Super" 1-11 for 14 years. Based at Manchester we did many weekend ITs when the aircraft had plenty of spare downtime. The Super had been certified by B(E)A at an artificially low MTOW of 41,730kgs to save on landing charges etc. but had only dry engines and 99 pax - the latter to ensure that only 2 cabin crew were required on the Berlin routes. As a consequence our range was severely limited - Palma was kept to 87 and Malaga was out of the question.

I suppose our climb performance was better than the equivalent Dan etc. aircraft that had another 20 seats or so and 4 tonnes TOW but I don't ever remember having to orbit when on a MXP-MAN IT, the only time I remember having to do that was out of GOA for LHR in a Viscount.

Used for it's intended purpose as a "bus-stop jet" it was fantastic, it was only when over extended in a high capacity longer distance mission it's performance was somewhat limiting.

[Level bust]

I did a jump sit ride with London European to MXP from LTN on a 1-11. Coming out of Milan we had to climb in the hold to clear the mountains. What was worrying was the Alitalia B727 climbing visually between us and the mountains to get above us. No mention of it from ATC, but thats another story.

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

Wonder what happened to Captain French of BEA? He used to fly 1-11s into Heathrow and he was the nicest bloke you could ever meet.

Isn't there a "do" at Brooklands about now for the 1-11? An ex-Heathrow chum of mind mentioned it but my empty brain didn't register it. (That's he of G-AVMR fame by the way).

[rog747]

50th 'do' for BAC1-11

the 'do' is 20th august...

at Brooklands

from the yahoo 1-11 group,
quote''
I must just add that the 1-11 50th is a "private function" being held at
the museum. You must therefore have "direct" links" to the aircraft to be
considered for this ticketed, invitation only event. Public entry to the museum
"Will Not" give you entry to the celebration! Therefore it's best to contact me
by email to ensure that I can arrange any further tickets.
The 1-11 50th will be taking place at the Brooklands Museum on August 20th. If anyone else would like to attend then please
contact either myself or Brooklands Museum directly as soon as possible.''

[dixi188]

Tuesday 20th August 2013 is the 50th anniversary of the maiden flight of the prototype BAC One-Eleven G-ASHG
I saw it take-off from Hurn on my 10th birthday.

[frieghtdog2000]

I remember doing the walk-round at Glasgow when a BAE 146 arrived on the adjacent stand - couldn't hear it over the sound of our APU!

Nice to fly - difficult to start (smack the CSDS hard) and hard to stop - on the ground.

Jersey Manchester in the summer - 501 with a full load and +32 so needed to tech stop Bournemouth. Middle of an airshow so parked next to the BBMF Lancaster. Punters (all week-end holiday makers) loved it and all got the BBMF brochure.

The last of the fuel noise converters.

[ZOOKER]

Ahh, MAN-JERSEY-MAN.
BA5216 and '5217 in my day.
Great aircraft, with great crews flying them.

[WHBM]

Originally Posted by Flightwatch

The Super had been certified by B(E)A at an artificially low MTOW of 41,730kgs to save on landing charges etc. but had only dry engines and 99 pax - the latter to ensure that only 2 cabin crew were required on the Berlin routes. As a consequence our range was severely limited ..... I suppose our climb performance was better than the equivalent Dan etc. aircraft that had another 20 seats or so and 4 tonnes TOW

I read that the BEA-specified fleet were very different in cockpit arrangement from the "standard" build. BA later bought a few new aircraft, plus many secondhand ones, the main contribution of course being the ex-B Cal fleet. These remained with the airline for many years after. How did this work ? Were there two separate crew groups ?

Although the IT aircraft had a higher max weight, they did have more powerful engines. Was this only achieved by the water injection or were there other changes to them ? How long did the de-min water last on takeoff ?

Used for it's intended purpose as a "bus-stop jet" it was fantastic, it was only when over extended in a high capacity longer distance mission it's performance was somewhat limiting.

Aircraft designed for notably short routes have always been poor/abysmal sellers (cf, the Mercure, the VFW-614, etc). There isn't much of a market for really short haul jet flights, and commercial carriers want something with a wider span of performance. What's the point of an aircraft that gets from London to Milan but makes you buy another type to get to Athens ?