Last Hawker Siddley Trident 1c G-ARPO
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Last Hawker Siddeley Trident 1c G-ARPO
The last Hawker Siddeley Trident 1c is being restored right now and we have set a £3000.00 target to raise for maintaining the momentum of the restoration. With the target of completing the restore of the inside front as well as a good start on the fuselage outside we are now 505.00 into that target. We would like to ask if you can help push the total upwards to get us to this target . If you want to help with the restoration, you can through the website www.savethetrident.org. It all addds up and helps with the restoration of this last full example left in the world.
If anyone would like to be a volunteer also feel free to contact us through the website.. regards tony
If anyone would like to be a volunteer also feel free to contact us through the website.. regards tony
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I cannot be sure after all this time, but I don't remember many of BEA's Trident 1 fleet being 1C which was the version with the centre-section fuel tank and a higher MTOW to permit the use of the extra fuel. Are you sure 'PO was one?
I think it's a bit sad that the aeroplane is to be painted in an airline livery which it would never have had before, having only been owned by BEA/BA - what's wrong with:
I think it's a bit sad that the aeroplane is to be painted in an airline livery which it would never have had before, having only been owned by BEA/BA - what's wrong with:
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AS an ex Trident avionic type and refueller, the 1C never had a center tank, the space where it was fitted on later types was where the A.P.U was fitted originally, but early on this proved to be a bit of an embarrassment the passengers were not impressed with the hot exhaust gasses melting the tarmac and the odd wet start so they were relocated on top of the center engine .
the Trident 1E was fitted with the center tank this type was flown by North East,Cyprus, Channel,and Iraqi airlines.
The Trident 2 had a Center tank plus a Fin tank but the 3 had just a center tank , can't remember what the China Airways had as I never worked them.. Hope this helps.
The down side was the aircraft fuel gauges read Kilos and were refueled to that, the "Dip sticks " beneath the wings were in Gallons, and the bowser delivered the fuel in Litres Oh Joy!!!!
the Trident 1E was fitted with the center tank this type was flown by North East,Cyprus, Channel,and Iraqi airlines.
The Trident 2 had a Center tank plus a Fin tank but the 3 had just a center tank , can't remember what the China Airways had as I never worked them.. Hope this helps.
The down side was the aircraft fuel gauges read Kilos and were refueled to that, the "Dip sticks " beneath the wings were in Gallons, and the bowser delivered the fuel in Litres Oh Joy!!!!
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I think it's a bit sad that the aeroplane is to be painted in an airline livery which it would never have had before
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According to their web page it has the 74/76 paint scheme hated by most of the Central Area for puttng that ruddy "Speedbird" just forward of the front doors, giving BOAC a boast about taking us over .
I was working on the performance manuals and route studies in Tech Sales at DH/HSA in the early 1960s when the various Trident definitions evolved and, as I wrote before, at that stage what made a T1 a T1C was the centre tank and the Design Weights to use it. It may well be that BEA chose to call 'em all 1Cs, but with two weight standards, later on.
The APU bay was behind the rear spar and the tank ahead of it, so the tank and APU could coexist. It was certainly a mistake to house any APU, let alone one as noisy as the Artouste, in that location and later T1s had the rear location as seen in the photos on the linked website.
Anent the future livery:
The linked website tells us "Our plan is to reassemble and preserve the aircraft in the colour scheme of Northeast Airlines, who flew Tridents from Newcastle and Teesside Airports in the 1970s, before mergin into British Airways."
From memory the BKS Tridents were 1Es anyway, but my point was that 'PO was a one-owner aeroplane so why not accept that?
The APU bay was behind the rear spar and the tank ahead of it, so the tank and APU could coexist. It was certainly a mistake to house any APU, let alone one as noisy as the Artouste, in that location and later T1s had the rear location as seen in the photos on the linked website.
Anent the future livery:
The linked website tells us "Our plan is to reassemble and preserve the aircraft in the colour scheme of Northeast Airlines, who flew Tridents from Newcastle and Teesside Airports in the 1970s, before mergin into British Airways."
From memory the BKS Tridents were 1Es anyway, but my point was that 'PO was a one-owner aeroplane so why not accept that?
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According to their web page it has the 74/76 paint scheme hated by most of the Central Area for puttng that ruddy "Speedbird" just forward of the front doors, giving BOAC a boast about taking us over.
So, as I wrote, what's wrong with this which is as delivered to the customer that ordered it?
According to their web page it has the 74/76 paint scheme hated by most of the Central Area for puttng that ruddy "Speedbird" just forward of the front doors, giving BOAC a boast about taking us over.
So, as I wrote, what's wrong with this which is as delivered to the customer that ordered it?
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The down side was the aircraft fuel gauges read Kilos and were refueled to that, the "Dip sticks " beneath the wings were in Gallons, and the bowser delivered the fuel in Litres Oh Joy!!!!
Gauges in pounds, dipstick in gallons and the bowser delivering litres.
In those pre-calculater days it was all done on the back of a fag packet.
later T1s had the rear location as seen in the photos on the linked website
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The controversy over the colour scheme is not new to us. We understand that purists don't want a scheme on this aircraft when it never flew for Northeast. But please bear in mind the following:
- Most people who visit the museum are not purists. They're families who take their kids along on a weekend to see the planes and they don't know whether each plane looks like it did when in service.
- Northeast Airlines was a local Trident operator to the museum, operating out of both Newcastle and Teesside Airports. This is something for locals to be proud of, and perhaps learn about when they come to visit. It's intended to be a tourist draw in itself to come and see our local airline preserved.
- One side of the aircraft will have British Airways titles. These were painted on Northeast aircraft shortly before they were fully painted in BA colours.
- We will never shy away from the true identity of this aircraft. It will still be painted as G-ARPO; our website details its true history; displays onboard the aircraft will display pictures and information about its history flying for BEA and BA.
- Other preserved Tridents cover the BEA Red Square (Duxford), BEA Green (Manchester & DeHavilland Museum), and British Airways Red (Dumfries Museum) schemes. None currently cover Northeast Airlines.
I hope that explains where we're coming from, and I hope you'll all still continue to support our bid to save this plane. There's still a long way to go and we need support!
Matt Falcus
Save The Trident
www.savethetrident.org
- Most people who visit the museum are not purists. They're families who take their kids along on a weekend to see the planes and they don't know whether each plane looks like it did when in service.
- Northeast Airlines was a local Trident operator to the museum, operating out of both Newcastle and Teesside Airports. This is something for locals to be proud of, and perhaps learn about when they come to visit. It's intended to be a tourist draw in itself to come and see our local airline preserved.
- One side of the aircraft will have British Airways titles. These were painted on Northeast aircraft shortly before they were fully painted in BA colours.
- We will never shy away from the true identity of this aircraft. It will still be painted as G-ARPO; our website details its true history; displays onboard the aircraft will display pictures and information about its history flying for BEA and BA.
- Other preserved Tridents cover the BEA Red Square (Duxford), BEA Green (Manchester & DeHavilland Museum), and British Airways Red (Dumfries Museum) schemes. None currently cover Northeast Airlines.
I hope that explains where we're coming from, and I hope you'll all still continue to support our bid to save this plane. There's still a long way to go and we need support!
Matt Falcus
Save The Trident
www.savethetrident.org
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With the dissapearance of BKS/Northeast into British airways in 1974; very few of your visitors Matt will even remember the airline. Unless of course they are former employees or very old visitors. The fact is the G-ARPO never flew for BKS/Northeast and you are distorting history in affect. Surely most people will remember British airways and the Newcastle - Heathrow service; especially younger people in which G-ARPO flew. It would be far better to see the Trident 1C in 'British airways' colours from the 1970's and perhaps a display on the history of the route including BKS/Northeast involvement.
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As I once heard Charles Church say to somebody complaing about the colour of his Spitfire. "When you have one you can paint it any colour YOU want". He then turned around and continued in the queue awaiting a burger - at Andover Strut fly-in on his strip.
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Hi Matt, I agree, you've got this one wrong. G-ARPO was a BA machine, an airline that is much better known than Northeast. With the Cosford Trident gone and the Wroughton one invisible to most, there are no preserved British Airways liveried Tridents. There's not a lot left of G-AWZJ at Dumfries or the aircraft at the Manchester Air and Space Museum.
I don't know what you mean by BEA Green, but if you don't like the livery the thing actually carried, you could revert to the brochure which showed a version of the "real" BEA livery like this Viscount has:
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Well that wouldn't do your argument much good since Tridents never wore that BEA scheme either 
BEA Green - the Union Jack one.
What about the "BOAC" Comet 1 at Cosford? Never flew with them. Are they distorting history too?
And I don't agree that just because all visitors to the museum might not remember Northeast Airlines, they can't be represented. I go to museums to learn about the past.
BEA Green - the Union Jack one.
What about the "BOAC" Comet 1 at Cosford? Never flew with them. Are they distorting history too?
And I don't agree that just because all visitors to the museum might not remember Northeast Airlines, they can't be represented. I go to museums to learn about the past.
What about the "BOAC" Comet 1 at Cosford? Never flew with them. Are they distorting history too?
How about painting one side of 'PO in an authentic scheme (preferably the red square) and the other side as Northeast ?
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Or how about you stop acting like school kids who can't have there own way and instead support the project. What these guys have achieved in saving and moving an entire airliner on very limited resources deserves an award in itself. I say again... SAVING AN ENTIRE AIRLINER.! 
As has already been said if you go upto the owner of an airworthy type and complain about the scheme you'll be practically told to bu**er off.
There are several types around that i don't particularly like the colour scheme of, but it doesnt stop me being grateful that its actually still there in the first place for me to enjoy.
Now you've had the reasoning behind the choice of the colour scheme (which for one i never even knew about) so why not congratulate them on being different and reviving a livery, instead of going for 'same ole same'.
There's more to life than the obvious peeps.
Rob
ps.. i've donated twice already to this worthwhile project, and will be happy to do so again, regardless of colours
As has already been said if you go upto the owner of an airworthy type and complain about the scheme you'll be practically told to bu**er off.
There are several types around that i don't particularly like the colour scheme of, but it doesnt stop me being grateful that its actually still there in the first place for me to enjoy.
Now you've had the reasoning behind the choice of the colour scheme (which for one i never even knew about) so why not congratulate them on being different and reviving a livery, instead of going for 'same ole same'.
There's more to life than the obvious peeps.
Rob
ps.. i've donated twice already to this worthwhile project, and will be happy to do so again, regardless of colours