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Wyvernfan's choice of language seems inappropriate here.
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And I don't agree that just because all visitors to the museum might not remember Northeast Airlines, they can't be represented. I go to museums to learn about the past.
Yes and real artifacts which are part of that past are much more valuable than the photos and computer simulations that, all too often, we find instead. But they should be "right".
Oh and that Comet 1A that's at Cosford would have been built for BOAC and, for all I can remember, may have been painted before cancellation.
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And I don't agree that just because all visitors to the museum might not remember Northeast Airlines, they can't be represented. I go to museums to learn about the past.
Yes and real artifacts which are part of that past are much more valuable than the photos and computer simulations that, all too often, we find instead. But they should be "right".
Oh and that Comet 1A that's at Cosford would have been built for BOAC and, for all I can remember, may have been painted before cancellation.
Never heard of NorthEast, or that they were swallowed up by BA.
If nothing else, painting it yellow will get people to ask questions. IE. WTF?
Good luck in your endeavours, whatever colour scheme you choose.
RE: refuelling.
DC-!0s of Continental used to fly into MAN a few years back.
A/C gauges - Ibs.
Bowser - Litrs.
Sticks - Inches (i think)
The flight crew wanted the uplift converted into gallons.
We were only used to KGs and Litres.
Some clever BA Eng at LGW came up with an A4 sheet -Refuelling DC-10s for idiots. Brilliant, had all the conversion tables and a block diagram to insert fuel figures and conversions.
Saved a few headaches-and lots of fag packets.
If nothing else, painting it yellow will get people to ask questions. IE. WTF?
Good luck in your endeavours, whatever colour scheme you choose.
RE: refuelling.
DC-!0s of Continental used to fly into MAN a few years back.
A/C gauges - Ibs.
Bowser - Litrs.
Sticks - Inches (i think)
The flight crew wanted the uplift converted into gallons.
We were only used to KGs and Litres.
Some clever BA Eng at LGW came up with an A4 sheet -Refuelling DC-10s for idiots. Brilliant, had all the conversion tables and a block diagram to insert fuel figures and conversions.
Saved a few headaches-and lots of fag packets.
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Oh and that Comet 1A that's at Cosford would have been built for BOAC and, for all I can remember, may have been painted before cancellation.
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Allan Lupton wrote "Wyvernfan's choice of language seems inappropriate here".
Really - In what way?
Its very easy to sit at a computer and dismiss peoples efforts and choice of livery for an aeroplane that they have worked extremely hard to preserve, just because you don't agree with it. Its also very easy to go to their website and make a donation to help and encourage their efforts.
Or alternatively Allan Lupton, if you feel so strongly about the colour scheme then why not offer to pay for it to be painted in your choice of colours?
Rob
Really - In what way?
Its very easy to sit at a computer and dismiss peoples efforts and choice of livery for an aeroplane that they have worked extremely hard to preserve, just because you don't agree with it. Its also very easy to go to their website and make a donation to help and encourage their efforts.
Or alternatively Allan Lupton, if you feel so strongly about the colour scheme then why not offer to pay for it to be painted in your choice of colours?
Rob
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Wyvernfan has said everything that needs saying at #20
Keep up the good work, Matt and the team (and yes, I have put my money where my mouth is!)
ps 'WF should be in Cambrian colours!
Keep up the good work, Matt and the team (and yes, I have put my money where my mouth is!)
ps 'WF should be in Cambrian colours!
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Thanks guys. No hard feelings here - as I said, we understand the controversy over the livery.
But we're all aviation fans and reading this thread because we have an interest in seeing this aircraft restored. We're grateful for all the support we get and are putting a lot of time into trying to get the resources to complete the project for all to enjoy.
But we're all aviation fans and reading this thread because we have an interest in seeing this aircraft restored. We're grateful for all the support we get and are putting a lot of time into trying to get the resources to complete the project for all to enjoy.
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Hi All,
I am the guy who is leading this project and the hard working, great bunch of guys , and girls may I add that have got this aircraft to where we are today.
I appreciate that to some not putting the aircraft back to its original spec is so called 'wrong' as they say but our project is not about one Trident airline. The Trident G-ARPO is the aircraft that is going to represent the whole Trident story. From the Domestic Trident carriers to the few foreign carriers that used the Trident . The cockpit will be all original 1c , inside the front cabin BKS and rear cabin BA/BEA. the seats will be laid out in the BEA layout to BEA but covered in BA. Outside will be the merger Trident of Northeast into BA..... Inside memorabilia and stories will cover all the other airlines..... So please try not to judge at this stage until you have seen the finished article........ One better if you are a Trident fan and want to volunteer to help then step forward, get involved and be a part of it.. Also the museum are always looking for volunteers if you don't want to work on the Trident... what about a viscount fuselage, outside only...
Hope this helps settle some of the points raised and maybe have made you look at it at a different angle.
cheers peeps tony
I am the guy who is leading this project and the hard working, great bunch of guys , and girls may I add that have got this aircraft to where we are today.
I appreciate that to some not putting the aircraft back to its original spec is so called 'wrong' as they say but our project is not about one Trident airline. The Trident G-ARPO is the aircraft that is going to represent the whole Trident story. From the Domestic Trident carriers to the few foreign carriers that used the Trident . The cockpit will be all original 1c , inside the front cabin BKS and rear cabin BA/BEA. the seats will be laid out in the BEA layout to BEA but covered in BA. Outside will be the merger Trident of Northeast into BA..... Inside memorabilia and stories will cover all the other airlines..... So please try not to judge at this stage until you have seen the finished article........ One better if you are a Trident fan and want to volunteer to help then step forward, get involved and be a part of it.. Also the museum are always looking for volunteers if you don't want to work on the Trident... what about a viscount fuselage, outside only...
Hope this helps settle some of the points raised and maybe have made you look at it at a different angle.
cheers peeps tony
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A most successful day at the museum yesterday with Trident PO being moved within the museum. This is a much better place for her and will allow us to bring the Cosford steps over. Go to the Save the Trident website Save The Trident » Preservation of Trident 1C G-ARPO for the full story and a selection of pictures of the day
A most successful day at the museum yesterday with Trident PO being moved within the museum. This is a much better place for her and will allow us to bring the Cosford steps over. Go to the Save the Trident website Save The Trident » Preservation of Trident 1C G-ARPO for the full story and a selection of pictures of the day
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Tridents in the People's Republic of China
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Re your mention of having memorabillia inside the restored Trident
I trust you will include something on the Tridents operated by the People's Republic of China who used them in both a civilian and military capacity. For many years the personal VIP Trident of Chairman Mao Tze Tung was displayed at the Military Museum in central Beijing (not to be confused with the China Aviation Museum in outer Beijing). It was missing from its location near the museum's entrance when I was there recently.
Of course the most infamous Chinese Trident was the aircraft that Chairman Mao's heir apparent Vice Premier Lin Biao used to try and escape to the Soviet Union after a botched coup D'etat. It crashed in Mongolia and was officially said to have run out of fuel. Chairman Mao gave orders for the crashed aircraft and its occupants to be oblitrated but only recently someone in Mongolia has been trying to sell what is claimed to be souvenir parts of this Trident.
An interesting story here for some aviation buff to follow through.
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Re your mention of having memorabillia inside the restored Trident
I trust you will include something on the Tridents operated by the People's Republic of China who used them in both a civilian and military capacity. For many years the personal VIP Trident of Chairman Mao Tze Tung was displayed at the Military Museum in central Beijing (not to be confused with the China Aviation Museum in outer Beijing). It was missing from its location near the museum's entrance when I was there recently.
Of course the most infamous Chinese Trident was the aircraft that Chairman Mao's heir apparent Vice Premier Lin Biao used to try and escape to the Soviet Union after a botched coup D'etat. It crashed in Mongolia and was officially said to have run out of fuel. Chairman Mao gave orders for the crashed aircraft and its occupants to be oblitrated but only recently someone in Mongolia has been trying to sell what is claimed to be souvenir parts of this Trident.
An interesting story here for some aviation buff to follow through.
Regards
O.P
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Tony;
Thanks for your reply. Pleased to hear the Chinese CAAC Trident story will be there. I recall those CAAC Tridents when they first started coming into Hongkong way back in the early 1970s. They were of interest then because it was the beginning of the time when all things in China started to change. The pilots of CAAC did not appear to have any problems slotting into the Kai Tak chequer board approach to RW 13 ( no IGS in those days only the CC NDB ) The word was that they were all military pilots but they handled the Tridents nicely. It was good to see them coming and going at Kai Tak. To aviation people they were just another operator, no politics amongst pilots. All the best with the restoration. Regards,
O.P.
Thanks for your reply. Pleased to hear the Chinese CAAC Trident story will be there. I recall those CAAC Tridents when they first started coming into Hongkong way back in the early 1970s. They were of interest then because it was the beginning of the time when all things in China started to change. The pilots of CAAC did not appear to have any problems slotting into the Kai Tak chequer board approach to RW 13 ( no IGS in those days only the CC NDB ) The word was that they were all military pilots but they handled the Tridents nicely. It was good to see them coming and going at Kai Tak. To aviation people they were just another operator, no politics amongst pilots. All the best with the restoration. Regards,
O.P.
I'm surprised at the reference to Northeast Tridents operating from Teesside, as I had the impression that BKS had given up the London service from there before the Tridents came along, and that they were just used on the Newcastle to Heathrow service, Heathrow to Bilbao (for some obscure reason), and IT charters from both Newcastle and Heathrow.
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teeside and Northeast livery
Hi WHBM
I am sure we have a pic of the Northeast Trident at Teeside, I will have to clarify that with Neil Lomax, hes the encyclopedia of all things Trident
I am sure we have a pic of the Northeast Trident at Teeside, I will have to clarify that with Neil Lomax, hes the encyclopedia of all things Trident
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The Tridents never operated scheduled services from MME. I don't remember if they did charters but they would have been occasional visitors on diversion from NCL. The BKS/Northeast Viscounts were frequently seen there due to the weather in the Yorkshire Riviera.
As far as I remember all Teeside scheduled services were given up in the BKS days in the late 60s before the Tridents appeared.
As far as I remember all Teeside scheduled services were given up in the BKS days in the late 60s before the Tridents appeared.
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Lots of great air-to-air shots of assorted pre-delivery Tridents in this promotional video, including Northeast as well as assorted BEA/BA, CAAC and (very briefly) PIA.
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Thank you for clarifying the NE tridents at MME. We know now there was no scheduled service to LHR with the Trident . Diversion or charter took them there on occations.
great video footage of the Tridents in action, thank you for sharing that Dave,
great video footage of the Tridents in action, thank you for sharing that Dave,