Buried Spitfires ?
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Buried Spitfires ?
I was reading an article today about buried ex-Luftwaffe WW2 in the US, basically that after evaluation/reverse engineering they were clumsily dumped, but are now being restored.
In the comments section there was a chap who mentioned that whilst stationed at the Empire Test Pilots School in Rhodesia, he either saw or knew of spitfires that were buried in crates within the airfield's perimeter. Would the panel think this credible and if so might they be in recoverable condition ?
SHJ
In the comments section there was a chap who mentioned that whilst stationed at the Empire Test Pilots School in Rhodesia, he either saw or knew of spitfires that were buried in crates within the airfield's perimeter. Would the panel think this credible and if so might they be in recoverable condition ?
SHJ
Empire Test Pilots School in Rhodesia
The only Spitfires in Rhodesia were 22 second-hand Spitifire 22s operated by the Southern Rhodesian Air Force until they received Vampires. I doubt if any of them are missing.
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Bit of an "urban myth" I think - I've heard of (alleged) buried Spitfires at a variety of Stations - Ternhill, Saints and Aldergrove to name only three.
Once used as excuse for an extremely unfriendly compass-swinging base - "ah - that's because of the buried Spits!"
Once used as excuse for an extremely unfriendly compass-swinging base - "ah - that's because of the buried Spits!"
We hear these myths of buried aircraft every now and again, but personnaly I think they are just that, MYTHS. Has anyone, anywhere ever found buried whole aircraft, crated or otherwise ???
And besides, why would they bury aircraft ? They would be scrapped for the metal, or reduced to spares, or sold to third world countries. Not logical.
And besides, why would they bury aircraft ? They would be scrapped for the metal, or reduced to spares, or sold to third world countries. Not logical.
Has anyone, anywhere ever found buried whole aircraft, crated or otherwise ???
Yes: In their search for Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, the American forces found Mig 25's completely buried in the desert sand.
Why bury aircraft?? It's beyond me, I can't imagine resurrecting a Mig 25 after a year or so incarcerated under the sand - surely the restoration cost and effort would be more than going to the Russians and asking them to lend you more money to buy new Migs? That is, of course, assuming you came out on the right side of the battle in the first place!
Why bury a Spitfire, even if you just want to dispose of it?
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why would they bury aircraft ? They would be scrapped for the metal, or reduced to spares, or sold to third world countries. Not logical.
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My old man was on HMS Venerable at the end of the war. After VJ, they pushed Corsairs and Avengers over the side, along with new factory crated engines, in order to make room for the evacuation of Singapore. So don't underestimate the willingness to dump good kit at that time.
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Originally Posted by zeb
My old man was on HMS Venerable at the end of the war. After VJ, they pushed Corsairs and Avengers over the side, along with new factory crated engines, in order to make room for the evacuation of Singapore. So don't underestimate the willingness to dump good kit at that time.
Rumours went around in the 1950s that complete crated Merlin engines had been dumped down disused tin-mine shafts in Cornwall. Like the buried Spitfires I am sure this was urban myth (why not sell them for scrap at least?), but as the shafts have all been capped long since I doubt if we'll ever know.
Rhodesian Army base that had been an airfield
I was at Heany as a service brat in 1950-53 and at Kumalo and Llewellan as a Terrier in 1958-59. Did not hear anything about Spitfires being tucked away.
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Buried Spitfires that have been recovered include - TB885 and PK665 in the UK, LV750, MT682 and MD338 in Australia and MV459 in India.
I would not rule out further buried Spitfire recoveries in Asia in the coming years.
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I would not rule out further buried Spitfire recoveries in Asia in the coming years.
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You can forget Africa. Any aircraft buried in crates would have the first termites at the wood whilst they were still filling it in. In three months the crate would have disappeared leaving you with an aluminium pancake.
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"My old man was on HMS Venerable at the end of the war. After VJ, they pushed Corsairs and Avengers over the side, along with new factory crated engines, in order to make room for the evacuation of Singapore. So don't underestimate the willingness to dump good kit at that time. "
My father's (serviceable) Mk.III Sunderland was one of several scuttled at Bathurst after VE Day, rather than flown home.
My father's (serviceable) Mk.III Sunderland was one of several scuttled at Bathurst after VE Day, rather than flown home.
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Back in the 1960's I heard stories of Sunderlands being scuttled on Lough Erne after the war, and that large quantities of tools and equipment had been dumped in the Lough, also that radio equipment had been bulldozed into pits on the nearby bases. The source was a family that had lived near the Lough on the perimeter of St Angelo for many years.
Lough Erne is a lake in Northern Ireland. So they prefered to dump entire Sunderlands at the bottom of a lake, so close to home, rather than scrap them for the metal ?????? And there is a LOT of metal in an entire Sunderland. I find that incredible, and today it would be considered a criminal waste.
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Back in the 1960's I heard stories of Sunderlands being scuttled on Lough Erne after the war, and that large quantities of tools and equipment had been dumped in the Lough, also that radio equipment had been bulldozed into pits on the nearby bases
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That's an interesting explanation - I am pretty sure that the source of the info on Lough Erne was reliable. The other point is that the government did not want to flood the civilian market with large quantities of good tools and non-classified radio equipment at knock down prices.