Falklands war and the Fairey Gannet

[david parry]

Here is my sighting of the one, on the Victorious 66/67 commission The last free take-off on the Vic, when we arrived back in the English channel in 67. The FDO LtCdr Robinson. Did a Free Takeoff with the last AEW Gannet to go ashore. He was lined up aft at the round down for an Axle deck launch. The Aircraft started to roll ok , But at about mid-ships she started to drift to port.
as she passed the point wher the angle deck met the Fwd part of the main deck it was obvious her port wheel was about to go over the deck edge. As the A/C past the Port side Fwd Twin 3.5 Turret the wheel was just about over the edge.
Luckly Robinson had gained enough Fwd speed to keep horizontal and get airborne on reaching the bow.
We had just started to breath again when Commander Air (Promoted to Captain some months before) Piped, "That is the last time we will attempt that".

[goofer]

Culdrose Gannet

Perhaps not very informative...but I well remember accompanying the then FO Plymouth (VAdml SAC Cassels) to Culdrose in 1981 when Roger Dimmock was Captain and seeing a Gannet with wings extended and engines running outside a remote hangar.

I recall the Admiral and the Captain musing on the lack of AEW cover for the fleet and the possible use the Gannet might be in extremis. I seem to remember that the conversation was revived in '82, perhaps because FO Plymouth's SOO was an ex-Gannet pilot.

That was around the time when CAMBRIDGE was presumed to be Devonport's point AAW cover, IIRC.

Anybody care to add detail (contradictory or otherwise!)...?

Goofer

[mr fish]

i saw a GANNET at mildenhall airshow in 1994 (i think), she did a couple of ground runs but did not take to the air.

i seem to recall an engine failure was the cause of the lack of flight, anyone know of the aircraft's fate??

[EGGP]

this is the Gannet that was on the display circuit; it says from 86-89. I can't recall another.

http://www.*************************...vor.php?id=125

pprune doesn't seem to want to allow the website address to be shown. so the link wont work. It's from thunder and lightnings and the serial number is XL502.

[Proplinerman]

Try converting it to a TinyURL-it's worked for me here.

[Milo Minderbinder]

Sorry to resurrect this, but something needs clarifying
When the Falklands war kicked off, the Navy got the FAA Museum at Yeovilton to resurrect one of its AEW3 Gannets, using apprentices for labour. It was completed too late to take part, but when finshed was airworthy. Eventually it was sold for prop research, but I don't know if it was the one that went to Dowty-Rotol, or the one that went to Hamilton-Standard.
They had to do a major hunt for parts, and found a cache of unused Mambas which had been purchased for potential conversion into electrical generators during the 1970's miners strikes
Hamilton got XL482, while Dowty got XL500 - but I can't remember which was the one the museum rebuilt in a hurry
Was one fixed at Yeovilton and one at Culdrose???

Theres an interesting photo taken at Yeovilton Air Day at https://secure.flickr.com/photos/stumitc/6297384337/
which shows one Gannet (of a pair) plus a bunch of shrink-wrapped Mambas. Maybe thats the one??

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edit- it looks like the one restored at Yeovilton for potential Falklands use was XL482

[Wyvernfan]

You lucky so-an-so Beagle

[Thunderbird167]

The one behind the museum with the Mambas in 1982 was XG883 which went on loan to the Wales Aircraft Museum and then to the Museum of Berkshire Aviation at Woodley

The other Gannet with "GN" on the tail is XA508 which went to the Midland Aircraft Museum

[Newforest2]

Mambas available courtesy of this weeks Flight Internaional.

http://forum.keypublishing.com/attac...2&d=1328043917

[Lower Hangar]

Stumbled on this thread and had forgotten my contribution of almost a year ago. The free take off from Hermes at anchorage in Langkawi (Jan 1969) was in fact not the COD but an AEW3 from 849B flight - I came across the b/w piccie in a montage of Hermes 68-69 commission- I'll have a go at uploading my piccie - haven't tried that on PPrune for a looooong time

[Proplinerman]

And here is a photo of that Gannet at Woodley:

676 Woodley 27-2-08 Gannet | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

[stepwilk]

Whatever happened to the one that was being flown back from the US and got stranded in Goose Bay?

See my Aviation History magazine article on that airplane here:

Fairey Gannet Revival

[Zebra Child]

Does anybody know if there were ever any trials using JATO bottles on any variants of the Gannet ?

Thanks
ZC

[Heave Ho]

There is an element of truth to the first post, but not from an ASW aspect (ASW Gannets were withdrawn early 1960s and had been superseded by various rotary's by the early '80s).
The R.Navy was interested in the idea of being able to operate a couple of Gannet AEWs as airborne early warning for fast and low attackers against the fleet off the Falklands, some sources suggest that some of the losses, such as HMS Sheffield, wouldn't have happened had the type been available.
Four Gannets were kept in LTS at Culdrose during that period, that is long term storage with the option to make serviceable at short notice, two of the Gannets, AEW.3s XL482 and XL500 would have been fit for the job, the other two were T.5 trainers, XG888 and XT752. My understanding is that the AN/APS-20F radar equipment in the AEWs had indeed been removed at that point for use with 8 Sqn Shackletons.
I don't really know why the idea failed, but assume due to lack of any secure land base within range to operate from, and that the carriers were unable to support the type due to lack of catapult and arrester equipment and other mods.

The two Gannets pictured at Yeovilton, T.2 XA508 and T.5 XG883 weren't in any state to be made airworthy, and indeed not versions considered useful for operations.

Of the four Gannets in LTS, all had a happy and long life with three flying again, XL500 from Culdrose with Dowty Rotol, while XL482 was flown across to the States to be used by Hamilton Standard.
XL500, XG888, & XT752 moved from LTS at Culdrose to storage at Lee-on-Solent c'85, before being disposed of c'95.
Of course XT752 was recently airworthy in the States, and as with XL500 (which I'm involved with now), is currently being worked on to return to the air.
XG888 was kept in very good condition and was taken by sea to Australia for display at Nowra, seem to remember mention of this one being made airworthy again at some point, but came to nothing.

Another twist to AN/APS-20 story, I was contacted a while back by someone who was sent to St Mawgan to investigate the use of the radar out of Shackleton WL795 which was being considered for ground use on the Falklands.


ZC, The Gannet AS.1 & T.2 was certainly RATOG capable for which I would assume clearance trials were held, but I've never seen reference to them or service use, hopefully someone here will know more?

[Zebra Child]

Those AN/APS 20 radars have certainly stood the test of time ! They were even used by the US on tethered balloons in the 80's and 90's to try and track aircraft moving drugs in the Caribbean.

It would be really good if one could be found to put back in XL500 at some stage. After all it was the reason AEW3 existed. I have an original AN/APS20 Operating Manual if you would like a copy.

[10W]

What became of the Gannet which was sitting in the 'Ark Royal' hangar at Leuchars in the mid-80s?

It's XL502 which flew for a while on the airshow circuit, and is now an exhibit at the Yorkshire Air Museum, Elvington.

[Zebra Child]

Aircraft Markings

Could somebody please help me with the correct aircraft markings for XL-500 when in service with 849 HQ flight in October 1963.

The nose number would have been 414 at that stage but how was the propeller boss marked for HQ flight ? (B flight = black and yellow / C Flight = black and white etc.)
I assume the aircraft would have had CU for Culdrose on the tail.

Thanks for any help you can offer. I am having a model made for my father who was a "Looker" (SOBS) with 849 at that time and flew in that aircraft many times with the C/O Butch Barnard as pilot. I hope he is still around when XL-500 gets back in the air again.

Thank you for any help you can offer.

P.S. Lt. Cdr. Andy Robinson is my sisters Godfather !

[Rosevidney1]

The Pilot's Notes for the Gannet ASR 1, T 2 & ASR 4 mention RATOG but other than where the cockpit switches are located give no details of its operation. RATOG is not mentioned in the notes for the AEW 3 or the T 5 so it seems the Admiralty didn't specify it for those marks.

[Zebra Child]

Thanks Rosevidney1 ... what do you think the chances are that a AEW3 could get off Hermes with a 12 degree ski jump and RATOG ??? Or would the angle be all wrong for the "bump" and also exceed maximum "High Alpha" ?
Just a theoretical question, looking back 30 years.

[cwatters]

Which museums would they have to raid today and what for?