Lysander nickname?
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Was it Chris Wren who paraphrased the Bible "Consider the Lizzies of the field; they neither stall nor do they spin"?
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I believe that the Royal Navy divided aircraft into three categories:-
1. Aircraft approaching - deemed hostile
2. Aircraft departing - deemed friendly
3. Lysanders
1. Aircraft approaching - deemed hostile
2. Aircraft departing - deemed friendly
3. Lysanders
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The Lizzie always looks somewhat ungainly and a bit of a dragmaster, so I'm always quite surprised to see the turn of speed demonstrated at Shuttleworth.
Ah, remember Duxford when they put up a formation of three a few years ago... Plus the Glad and the Blenheim, probably every airworthy Mercury at that time (I gather the Gauntlet in Finland has a P&W or a Wright and TFC's Glad was still in pieces).
Ah, remember Duxford when they put up a formation of three a few years ago... Plus the Glad and the Blenheim, probably every airworthy Mercury at that time (I gather the Gauntlet in Finland has a P&W or a Wright and TFC's Glad was still in pieces).
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What can be surprising, if you've never seen one before or if, like me, you'd not seen one for decades, is the size of the thing.
Visiting museums in Canada last summer I came across a couple of examples , the sheer bulk of the aircraft and the fact it is a single engined machine with superb STOL performance is impressive, the moreso viewed from the perspective of Canada, the home of postwar civilian STOL performance.
Visiting museums in Canada last summer I came across a couple of examples , the sheer bulk of the aircraft and the fact it is a single engined machine with superb STOL performance is impressive, the moreso viewed from the perspective of Canada, the home of postwar civilian STOL performance.
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The Canadian Heritage/Historic Flight flew their Lysander to Oshkosh last year. It was in the static for several days, looked gorgeous in it's target towing colours.
The Canadian Heritage/Historic Flight flew their Lysander to Oshkosh last year. It was in the static for several days, looked gorgeous in it's target towing colours.
The staff at The Museum of Army Flying, Middle Wallop are often complimented on their Lysander gate guard by the visiting public......... Trouble is its a Beaver.
It says something for Joe Public thet when they see a high winged, single engine monoplane in camouflage it can only be a Lizzie.
It says something for Joe Public thet when they see a high winged, single engine monoplane in camouflage it can only be a Lizzie.
My father flew Lysanders on 16 Sqn at the beginning of the war. He had transferred from the army to the RAF, and for a while they wore army uniforms with RAF insignia. He died in a Beaufighter in 1942, and I'm more sad than I can say that I never knew him. But my mother always talked about the Lizzie with great affection.
Only last year I heard an interesting story from my father's surviving younger brother. On his 21st birthday in March 1940, he was serving in the Gunners in France. My father found out where he was and flew over in his Lizzie and dropped a message streamer to him with 21st birthday wishes. My uncle never did find out how my father knew where to find him.
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Only last year I heard an interesting story from my father's surviving younger brother. On his 21st birthday in March 1940, he was serving in the Gunners in France. My father found out where he was and flew over in his Lizzie and dropped a message streamer to him with 21st birthday wishes. My uncle never did find out how my father knew where to find him.
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The concept of a turret night-fighter version of the Lysander culminated in the curious "Experimental Aeroplane No. 136". Late in 1940, a further attempt was made to fit a turret, this time according to the French
Delanne formula. This meant fitting a second wing in tandem to the main one - effectively a much enlarged tailplane - with end-plate fins and rudders. The aircraft became a kind of hybrid, an army-co-operation aircraft with a "generic" heavy bomber tail unit.The aircraft underwent trials in the winter of 1940-41. Lysander K6127 was by now fitted with a Bristol Perseus XII engine. Radical changes to the rear fuselage enabled a mock-up of a four-gun Nash & Thompson turret to be installed, made of plywood and perspex and having a very light framework. The overall length of the aircraft became 25 feet 7 inches. It was hoped the design would develop into an effective night-fighter, or at least a gunnery trainer. However, the Lysander turret night-fighter, despite successful flight trials, remained a one-off experiment.
K6127 was later used for communication tests, and in the Welkin program, before being broken up in 1944. Lysanders, apart from more regular roles, served on as experimental platforms. Few Lysanders lasted beyond WW.2, some surviving briefly as crop sprayers. By the late 1960s only two remained intact, one in England and another in Canada.
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I worked with a cameraman called Ted Wooldridge and I discovered much later that he flew Lysanders out of Tempsford for a while during WW2. Tricky job that, landing in enemy territory at night. Liked to gamble on horses. Whenever a horse came up with Lizzie in the name he would always place a bet for our crew. Now I know why.
Lysander I (project) L4673- was an attempt to provide a ventral gunners position by enlarging the fuselage, dubbed the "Pregnant Perch," and it was planned to be involved in anti-invasion duties. Unfortunately engine failure resulted in it crashing and the project was abandoned...
No idea if these Lysander experimental conversions received colourful nicknames...
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By the late 1960s only two remained intact, one in England and another in Canada.
Over the last 40 odd years I've seen 10 of those listed.
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Re. the Delanne tandem-wing Lysander modification, I've always thought that was a classically silly weapons system probably dreamed up by academics who had never been out of their ivory towers. What could be stupider than strafing targets on a beach, say, that are _receding_ from you as you narrow and refine your aim. The opposite is true of a conventional nose-guns strafer, which is why they frequently hit things. And, admittedly, frequently flew into them as well, from target fixation.