ATC Airways & Frequency details, early 1970's
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Preston used 127.45 for southbound traffic on A1E. Aircraft were transferred to London on 135.25, just after the 'Lichfield East' position report.
Lichfield East was a compulsory reporting point, and the Preston(EGNN) / London(EGTT) FIR boundary was at 5230N.
125.9 was also a Preston Frequency.
The London frequency 133.6 is still in use for the same area today and 133.7 was still used for Daventry in the mid 1980s.
Border Radar, at RAF Boulmer, worked traffic outside outside Controlled Airspace NE of Pole Hill on 132.9.
When Manchester Sub-Centre opened in 1975, I think they used 133.05 for traffic over the Irish Sea below FL135. This frequency covers the same general area today.
In the mid 70s, 120.8 was used by the sub-centre, between Lichfield and Manchester Airport, again at FL135 and below.
Lichfield East was a compulsory reporting point, and the Preston(EGNN) / London(EGTT) FIR boundary was at 5230N.
125.9 was also a Preston Frequency.
The London frequency 133.6 is still in use for the same area today and 133.7 was still used for Daventry in the mid 1980s.
Border Radar, at RAF Boulmer, worked traffic outside outside Controlled Airspace NE of Pole Hill on 132.9.
When Manchester Sub-Centre opened in 1975, I think they used 133.05 for traffic over the Irish Sea below FL135. This frequency covers the same general area today.
In the mid 70s, 120.8 was used by the sub-centre, between Lichfield and Manchester Airport, again at FL135 and below.
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Regarding MANCHESTER airport itself...
I have the following for the mid-70's
TWR 118.7
APP 119.4
GROUND 121.7
ATIS 121.95
SOUTHBOUND DEPARTURES 124.2
WESTBOUND DEPARTURES 125.1
NORTH/EAST DEPARTURES 126.65
Unless anyone knows any better ?
I have the following for the mid-70's
TWR 118.7
APP 119.4
GROUND 121.7
ATIS 121.95
SOUTHBOUND DEPARTURES 124.2
WESTBOUND DEPARTURES 125.1
NORTH/EAST DEPARTURES 126.65
Unless anyone knows any better ?
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Skipness VOR
Maybe somebody in this forum can help! In 1984 we flew on a KLM 747 from AMS-JFK. The cabin map showed a portion of our route as Glasgow - Skipness - 57'N 10'W. ( BLUFA UB1 UB13 GOW SKP NAT D 57’N10’W ) Skipness VOR doesn't exist on any maps I can find now! Since this thread is about older airways in the UK, can anyone remember or help! THANK YOU!
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Skipness VOR
raypuff - If my memory serves me well UB13 routed Newcastle-Talla-GOW and whilst the cabin route map showed GOW-Skipness it's unlikely the aircraft routed to Skipness as all aircraft destined for 57N 10W via GOW routed direct from GOW. I believe Skipness was used prior to the introduction of GOW.
Skipness VOR was located on the north part of the Mull of Kintyre. Not sure of it's exact postion but on Google Earth measure about 30 to 33nm distance on a heading of about 300deg from Prestwick's runway 31 and it's in that vicinity.
Skipness VOR was located on the north part of the Mull of Kintyre. Not sure of it's exact postion but on Google Earth measure about 30 to 33nm distance on a heading of about 300deg from Prestwick's runway 31 and it's in that vicinity.
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Thank you Musket 90! I kinda wondered about that since from my back seat navigation log shows:
TALLA
GLASGOW 043nm 306'
SKIPNESS 038 264' (Estimated position)
57'N 10’W 165 305'
It's like you are going 40' out of the way to hit Skipness! Thank you for your expert advice! I'll adjust my logs to show GOW to 57'N 10'W
Ray
TALLA
GLASGOW 043nm 306'
SKIPNESS 038 264' (Estimated position)
57'N 10’W 165 305'
It's like you are going 40' out of the way to hit Skipness! Thank you for your expert advice! I'll adjust my logs to show GOW to 57'N 10'W
Ray
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Ah, the good old days when airways had proper (memorable) names.
http://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/368...ml#post4843555
http://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/368...ml#post4843555
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My namesake....
....used to be a SID from PIK. Anyone have a scanned copy?
Wasn't the VOR for Prestwick PWK? I believe it was a straight name change to today's Turnberry / TRN?
Wasn't the VOR for Prestwick PWK? I believe it was a straight name change to today's Turnberry / TRN?
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Glasgow vor
With all the replies about Skipness and then Glasgow VOR; I cam across a tidbit on EBAY. A 1967 chart that shows Talla VOR and Skipness VOR but no Glasgow VOR. Anybody know when Glasgow VOR was comissioned?
My 1987 Aerad chart shows Skipness VOR [ SKP 113.00 ] at
N55 44.6, W005 31.8, and 35 nm from the PIK VOR.
N55 44.6, W005 31.8, and 35 nm from the PIK VOR.
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I seem to recall that in the late seventies Daventry northbounds worked 135.25 then 131.05 towards Polehill then Scottish 126.25 for Glasgow, 128.5 for Edinburgh and 135.85 for Aberdeen, Inverness and Oceanic. Wallasey was 128.05, Honiley 133.7, Brecon 133.6, Manchester 124.2 (south) and 126.65 (north), Berry Head 132.6, Dover 134.9, Lydd 127.1, Midhurst 127.7. I can't remember the North Sea sector frequency.
