Messerschmitt Bf 109 to be built new in Bavaria again!
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Messerschmitt Bf 109 to be built new in Bavaria again!
The german aviation history bimonthly "Klassiker der Luftfahrt" reports today, that a small german company at Freising (close to MUC airport) is building high quality new Bf. 109s and already started production. Even EADS seems to order parts there for their heritage flight.
The whole venture had been kept quiet about until today.
german link with pic:
Exklusiv: Perfekte Reproduktionen der Bf 109 - Klassiker der Luftfahrt
The whole venture had been kept quiet about until today.
german link with pic:
Exklusiv: Perfekte Reproduktionen der Bf 109 - Klassiker der Luftfahrt
KK - is it planned to use the Daimler Benz engine in the replica 'Hundertneun'?
A superb engine with supercharger and fuel injection systems far more technologically advanced than the Merlin.
A superb engine with supercharger and fuel injection systems far more technologically advanced than the Merlin.
BEags,if you go back to 5 Dec08,or search `D-B 603`,I think you`ll find out it was not all it was cracked up to be,with asymmetric compression ratios,and poor spark plug positioning;poor oil consumption etc;pity we couldn`t have picked the good bits for the Merlin though..Syc
In fact the best hybrid was a captured Spitfire Vc fitted with a DB 605 engine - EN 830. The Luftwaffe pilots who flew it thought it to be superb - and it outperformed both Bf109 and contemporary Spitfires.
The worst hybrid was the wretched Hispano HA-112 Bouchon - a Bf109G (with all its vices) fitted with a Merlin.
As for the Galland quote, that's a bit of an urban myth. This is the actual quote from his book 'The First And The Last':
Nothing to do with the Merlin!
The worst hybrid was the wretched Hispano HA-112 Bouchon - a Bf109G (with all its vices) fitted with a Merlin.
As for the Galland quote, that's a bit of an urban myth. This is the actual quote from his book 'The First And The Last':
The theme of fighter protection was chewed over again and again. Goering clearly represented the point of view of the bombers and demanded close and rigid protection. The bomber, he said, was more important than record bag figures. I tried to point out that the Me109 was superior in the attack and not so suitable for purely defensive purposes as the Spitfire, which, although a little slower, was much more manoeuvrable. He rejected my objection. We received many more harsh words. Finally, as his time ran short, he grew more amiable and asked what were the requirements for our squadrons. Mölders asked for a series of Me109's with more powerful engines. The request was granted. "And you ?" Goering turned to me. I did not hesitate long. "I should like an outfit of Spitfires for my group." After blurting this out, I had rather a shock, for it was not really meant that way. Of course, fundamentally I preferred our Me109 to the Spitfire, but I was unbelievably vexed at the lack of understanding and the stubbornness with which the command gave us orders we could not execute - or only incompletely - as a result of many shortcomings for which we were not to blame. Such brazen-faced impudence made even Goering speechless. He stamped off, growling as he went.
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BEagle,
unfortunately there's no info on the engines yet.
After intending to build just two 109s for themselves first, they got orders for five more now. I'd say these people might already own their engines just missing the airframes to fly them. The Messerschmitt foundation is said to own several airworthy spares and there is a rumor of several (double digit) other engines elsewhere that might be considered. And I even heard german rumors about plans with "exotic" engines too.
Cheers, Kraut
unfortunately there's no info on the engines yet.
After intending to build just two 109s for themselves first, they got orders for five more now. I'd say these people might already own their engines just missing the airframes to fly them. The Messerschmitt foundation is said to own several airworthy spares and there is a rumor of several (double digit) other engines elsewhere that might be considered. And I even heard german rumors about plans with "exotic" engines too.
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The Allison sounds like a good bet (FlugWerke used one - plus a load of ballast in the form of over-size bearers - in their long-nose FW190D) but - if there aren't enough DBs to go round, I'd guess at the obvious alternative - a Packard Merlin. There seem to be enough around to engine whole squadrons of P-51s.
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The Hartmair company seems to call it a "Me 109". Although the original Bf stands for Bayerische Flugzeugwerke (bavarian aircraft company) and that's what they are at Freising.
I have a friend working on a book and he needs help with all this 'Bf' versus 'Me' thing. I know 'Bayerische Flugzevgwerke' means 'Bavarian aircraft company' but when did the Me109 become the Bf109 and why?. My father was a war-time pilot and he had never heard of a 'Bf109' they where always, to quote: "bloody Me109s". It seems to me that people are guilty of re-writing history again.
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By George.
The Bf109 did not become the "ME109" when the company was reconstructed as the "Messerschmitt A.G"
The "Bf109" was always so called.
Ciarain.
The Bf109 did not become the "ME109" when the company was reconstructed as the "Messerschmitt A.G"
The "Bf109" was always so called.
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All this "Bf" stuff comes from plans found in the late 50's or early 60's with the designation "Bf" on it.
In fact, it was never known as such by the pilots who flew it-to them, it was always the "Me"
In fact, it was never known as such by the pilots who flew it-to them, it was always the "Me"
Thanks Chaps, this is the problem, one reply 'for' and one 'against'. It's hard to find a clear ruling and reason. I have contacted, via email two German Museums and if I get an answer I'll pass it on. My pal is ex 77 SQN RAAF and flew Mustangs and Meteors in Korea and grew up ( like most of us) with tales from the Second World War and never heard it mentioned as the 'Bf' until the late fifties. To some it's no big deal under the "who cares" category but he wants to be accurate. My next trip is Frankfurt maybe I should ask all the 90 year olds in the pub. (can we mention the war?)
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