What has he come to tell them??
Certainly not HMS Apollo, not with lifeboat davits like that. More likely a merchant ship or converted merchant ship.
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Possibly one of the Victory ships with the boats lowered.
However it is also interesting that "Gooseberry", the name given to the artificial harbor's sunken ship breakwater, was made up of old Victory ships and "rust buckets" left over from World War I, totaling 59 ships.
However it is also interesting that "Gooseberry", the name given to the artificial harbor's sunken ship breakwater, was made up of old Victory ships and "rust buckets" left over from World War I, totaling 59 ships.
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`What is your name ?`
`Don`t tell him ,Pike !`
`Ah,Pike.your name will go in the book`...
`Stupid boy !`
The Air Commode,under the davit ,appears to have no left hand,or it`s in his pocket;right hand stuck in his jacket.
I think he`s come to collect the aircrew silk scarves the Navy brass pinched at the Dinner..
`Don`t tell him ,Pike !`
`Ah,Pike.your name will go in the book`...
`Stupid boy !`
The Air Commode,under the davit ,appears to have no left hand,or it`s in his pocket;right hand stuck in his jacket.
I think he`s come to collect the aircrew silk scarves the Navy brass pinched at the Dinner..
Certainly not HMS Apollo, not with lifeboat davits like that. More likely a merchant ship or converted merchant ship - Groundloop
You beat me to it Ground Loop.
Ex crab myself but the life boat thing looks very 'civilian' - Forget
All right girls, you may not believe me, but why not take a look at another photograph, available from two interesting and authentic sources, showing a remarkably similar piece of the upper deck on board APOLLO, and oh my goodness, there's not a davit or lifeboat in sight, but there is a Carley float mounting:
http://tinyurl.com/98ktsa
JIM BRYCE PH2
A careful read of Mr Hoy's story also strongly implies that Boris's friend's photograph was probably taken after Generals Eisenhower and Montgomery had left APOLLO, in which case my initial caption for what the tame crab was saying, namely "I'm afraid we seem to have lost Ike", was curiously close to the mark. However, in view of Mr Hoy's narrative, I'd like to suggest that what he was really saying was "But surely at least one of you matelots must know the way back to Pompey?"
Hope that all this helps you and your friend, Boris.
Jack
PS No need to apologise, G and F, just get some seatime in ....
You beat me to it Ground Loop.
Ex crab myself but the life boat thing looks very 'civilian' - ForgetAll right girls, you may not believe me, but why not take a look at another photograph, available from two interesting and authentic sources, showing a remarkably similar piece of the upper deck on board APOLLO, and oh my goodness, there's not a davit or lifeboat in sight, but there is a Carley float mounting:
http://tinyurl.com/98ktsa
JIM BRYCE PH2
A careful read of Mr Hoy's story also strongly implies that Boris's friend's photograph was probably taken after Generals Eisenhower and Montgomery had left APOLLO, in which case my initial caption for what the tame crab was saying, namely "I'm afraid we seem to have lost Ike", was curiously close to the mark. However, in view of Mr Hoy's narrative, I'd like to suggest that what he was really saying was "But surely at least one of you matelots must know the way back to Pompey?"
Hope that all this helps you and your friend, Boris.
Jack
PS No need to apologise, G and F, just get some seatime in ....
Hmmm, I wonder; could that lifeboat thing be what fish heads call a Carley float mounting.
Whilst appreciating that you may not have read the previous posting fully, viz "....there's not a davit or lifeboat in sight, but there is a Carley float mounting", I can now see why your monniker is "Forget"!
Jack
Whilst appreciating that you may not have read the previous posting fully, viz "....there's not a davit or lifeboat in sight, but there is a Carley float mounting", I can now see why your monniker is "Forget"!
Jack
Crikey, Forget, I know I said no need to apologise - after all I was only trying to provide a comprehensive and accurate answer for Boris - but I equally didn't expect to be "wound up" in return! Of course, I now realise that you had read the previous post.
Jack (aka Jock)
PS Am I a spam? First and last words above should provide clues, assuming you remember you asked the question ....
Jack (aka Jock)
PS Am I a spam? First and last words above should provide clues, assuming you remember you asked the question ....
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Now Now!!!
Above the davit/carley mount, what is the cable?
Just doing some digging on the Apollo incident. If this is on the Apollo, either before Ike and Monty embarked or subsequently disembarked to the Undaunted, would that make the RN officers in the middle Capt Grindle and Vice Admiral Ramsay? (If only we could see the boss fellas cuff!) Would explain the GI's clamouring for a view of whatever was going on alongside.
Above the davit/carley mount, what is the cable?
Just doing some digging on the Apollo incident. If this is on the Apollo, either before Ike and Monty embarked or subsequently disembarked to the Undaunted, would that make the RN officers in the middle Capt Grindle and Vice Admiral Ramsay? (If only we could see the boss fellas cuff!) Would explain the GI's clamouring for a view of whatever was going on alongside.
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Had a closer look at the picture. The benches seem to be a temporary fixture. They are attached to the hand rail by carabina type fasteners. Also, the deck is wooden. Would a ship of this age (only a few months old) have had an armoured deck, or as the Apollo was built for speed, did she indeed have a wooden deck? Maybe we need to turn this into the Professional Harbour Pilots Rumour Network? 
Boris
Maybe we need to turn this into the Professional Harbour Pilots Rumour Network?
Er, yes or probably best to go to Rum Ration if you have any more questions!
However, since you asked, I sadly suspect that the Flag Officer in the original photo is not Admiral Ramsay for several reasons: Wiki photo shows him with five rows of medal ribbons, rather than three, and his appearance (and the angle of his cap!) are completely different - see also Royal Navy (RN) Officers 1939-1945 - R for more photos. A guess, no more, is that it is Admiral Maurice Mansergh, who was Admiral Ramsay's Chief of Staff (and the cap angle looks more likely relative to his picture in the NPG), whilst the Captain could indeed be Captain Grindle, since I do see a ressemblance to his two sons.
So far as the deck is concerned, the photo at Ship Class: HMS Abdiel tends to confirm that she had a certain amount of wooden decking, almost certainly further aft, as in the D-Day photos. The cable is probably the release gear for whatever was mounted there.
The bench was almost certainly a bit of "sparkle" for the big occasion, or a bit of a laugh on someone's part (as in "One of our Pompey park benches is missing"), or even a combination of both.
Jack
PS To keep within PPRuNe, I am still interested in who the crab and the king crab may have been and, my last shot at what was being said - "I'm so sorry, Sir, only the Spams have enough of these new-fangled helicopters"!
Maybe we need to turn this into the Professional Harbour Pilots Rumour Network?
Er, yes or probably best to go to Rum Ration if you have any more questions!
However, since you asked, I sadly suspect that the Flag Officer in the original photo is not Admiral Ramsay for several reasons: Wiki photo shows him with five rows of medal ribbons, rather than three, and his appearance (and the angle of his cap!) are completely different - see also Royal Navy (RN) Officers 1939-1945 - R for more photos. A guess, no more, is that it is Admiral Maurice Mansergh, who was Admiral Ramsay's Chief of Staff (and the cap angle looks more likely relative to his picture in the NPG), whilst the Captain could indeed be Captain Grindle, since I do see a ressemblance to his two sons.
So far as the deck is concerned, the photo at Ship Class: HMS Abdiel tends to confirm that she had a certain amount of wooden decking, almost certainly further aft, as in the D-Day photos. The cable is probably the release gear for whatever was mounted there.
The bench was almost certainly a bit of "sparkle" for the big occasion, or a bit of a laugh on someone's part (as in "One of our Pompey park benches is missing"), or even a combination of both.
Jack
PS To keep within PPRuNe, I am still interested in who the crab and the king crab may have been and, my last shot at what was being said - "I'm so sorry, Sir, only the Spams have enough of these new-fangled helicopters"!
PS No need to apologise, G and F, just get some seatime in ..
The carley float mounting in the image linked to by Union Jack is a simple metal frame on which the float sat. There were no complicated lowering systems for the carleys, the ropes holding them were simply cut and they were thrown/slid over the side.
So, I say again it is NOT HMS Apollo.
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I have had a fair bit of seatime and undertaken plenty of lifeboat drills and launched lifeboats so I know a gravity davit when I see one. The photograph clearly shows a sloping track down which the cradle holding the lifeboat/landing craft slides and then hinges outboard when it reaches the bottom of the track. The cable visible is part of this lowering mechanism.
Boris,I posted the picture here:
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One of the respondents served on Apollo and can definitely say it is not her!
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One of the respondents served on Apollo and can definitely say it is not her!
One of the respondents served on Apollo and can definitely say it is not her!
Good thinking, Tubs, and of course I am perfectly happy to be corrected, but I would much prefer it to be by someone who knows for certain what the ship in the photograph actually is, or who, like Groundloop, has specific reasons for refuting my guess - which is what it was, remember? - and also by someone who knows that we serve in and not on ships and call them her and not it. The respondent, I mean re the latter since I know you were quoting him, so I'm not poking charlie at you- particularly not at someone with such a distinguished submarine monniker!
Jack
PS Curiously enough, one of the best points made in the other forum relates to the screen door, which I had noted had a non-naval look about it, but didn't previously mention since I am aware that a number of ships, APOLLO included, had non-standard additions to their superstructures. So, back to helping Boris ....
Good thinking, Tubs, and of course I am perfectly happy to be corrected, but I would much prefer it to be by someone who knows for certain what the ship in the photograph actually is, or who, like Groundloop, has specific reasons for refuting my guess - which is what it was, remember? - and also by someone who knows that we serve in and not on ships and call them her and not it. The respondent, I mean re the latter since I know you were quoting him, so I'm not poking charlie at you- particularly not at someone with such a distinguished submarine monniker!
Jack
PS Curiously enough, one of the best points made in the other forum relates to the screen door, which I had noted had a non-naval look about it, but didn't previously mention since I am aware that a number of ships, APOLLO included, had non-standard additions to their superstructures. So, back to helping Boris ....
