TAA and the DC-9
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I found this in the bowels of an old suitcase under the house.
Pre DOT as in Givelda's example.
Gotta love ATC's approval for departure. The days of DCA OPS.
Also in there a 1976 issue of the "crash comic" with a report on a DC9
crash at Charlotte in the US. I'll post it later if it's OK to reproduce it.
Pre DOT as in Givelda's example.
Gotta love ATC's approval for departure. The days of DCA OPS.
Also in there a 1976 issue of the "crash comic" with a report on a DC9
crash at Charlotte in the US. I'll post it later if it's OK to reproduce it.
Captain John Humphreys : ex TAA skipper (DC-9/B727/A300)
DC-4 hop across the pacific :Log book entry
the flight route involved for the DC-9 engine transfer : ML-NADI-CANTON ISL-HONOLULU
flight hours : ML-NADI : 12:55 (night) {August 13 1967}
: CANTON ISL-HONOLULU 10:50 (day) + 7:25 (night) {August 14 1967}
aircraft rego : TAC
crew :Captain J C Humphreys ; Simpson ; East ;Radle ; Allen
they used "pressure pattern" flying as a flight route to save time and fuel on the way through to Honolulu.
they did not depart until the 26th august 1967
cheers
dijon moutard
the flight route involved for the DC-9 engine transfer : ML-NADI-CANTON ISL-HONOLULU
flight hours : ML-NADI : 12:55 (night) {August 13 1967}
: CANTON ISL-HONOLULU 10:50 (day) + 7:25 (night) {August 14 1967}
aircraft rego : TAC
crew :Captain J C Humphreys ; Simpson ; East ;Radle ; Allen
they used "pressure pattern" flying as a flight route to save time and fuel on the way through to Honolulu.
they did not depart until the 26th august 1967
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dijon moutard
Hawaiian Airlines and the TAA Dc-9's
the original batch of dc-9 crews did their initial line flying/endorsements in hawaii with Hawaiian Airlines.
they then returned to australia to do simulator followed up by further line training in australia.
Hawaiian Airlines were considered the experts on the dc-9 in the pacific ocean area .
my fathers instructor was a Captain Howard Phillips who had an interesting story of seeing/eyewitnessing the japanese attack on pearl harbour during wwII .
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they then returned to australia to do simulator followed up by further line training in australia.
Hawaiian Airlines were considered the experts on the dc-9 in the pacific ocean area .
my fathers instructor was a Captain Howard Phillips who had an interesting story of seeing/eyewitnessing the japanese attack on pearl harbour during wwII .
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Mike Dixon
Gidday to all ....
I came across this thread today and I've had a smile from ear to ear reading the messages.
I was a schedules planner (12th floor 50 Franklin Street) and cut my teeth working on the Fokkers in and their timetables in 1974 before being let loose on the jets around 1975.
I did that for 12 years and witnessed the A300s and the 737 300s introduced to the fleet and the retirements of the 737 200s and of course the DC9s.
They were great days ... I still remember all the flight numbers and many of the scheduling patterns for the day by each aircraft type and even the timings. 461 CNS TSV BNE 464 BNE TSV CNS 463 CNS TSV BNE 462 BNE TSV CNS ... ahh the memories.
If anyone's got any questions about some of the particulars of the scheduling department, the personnel or (God forbid) the intricacies of the schedule, then please, by all means ask.
You've made my day coming across this.
Cheers
Mike
I came across this thread today and I've had a smile from ear to ear reading the messages.
I was a schedules planner (12th floor 50 Franklin Street) and cut my teeth working on the Fokkers in and their timetables in 1974 before being let loose on the jets around 1975.
I did that for 12 years and witnessed the A300s and the 737 300s introduced to the fleet and the retirements of the 737 200s and of course the DC9s.
They were great days ... I still remember all the flight numbers and many of the scheduling patterns for the day by each aircraft type and even the timings. 461 CNS TSV BNE 464 BNE TSV CNS 463 CNS TSV BNE 462 BNE TSV CNS ... ahh the memories.
If anyone's got any questions about some of the particulars of the scheduling department, the personnel or (God forbid) the intricacies of the schedule, then please, by all means ask.
You've made my day coming across this.
Cheers
Mike
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... and to Stationair8 in case you query wasn't answered, yep the DC9 did freight runs ....
2211 MEL 0220 LST 0315 / 0350 HBA 0415 and 2218 HBA MEL at (if I recall) 2310 0015
2211 MEL 0220 LST 0315 / 0350 HBA 0415 and 2218 HBA MEL at (if I recall) 2310 0015
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Ah! dijon moutard. So that's where CIS is.
I found it in my old man's logbook when he ferried an Electra (TLB) back from the States (after the wing mod, repairing the damage and preventing the mould that corroded the fuel tanks??)
Thought Christmas Island was a long way out of the way to Nadi.
I found it in my old man's logbook when he ferried an Electra (TLB) back from the States (after the wing mod, repairing the damage and preventing the mould that corroded the fuel tanks??)
Thought Christmas Island was a long way out of the way to Nadi.
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TAA flight numbers
It took me years to figure out how they came up with TAA flight numbers, eg 466.
My theory is that TAA, heavily invested with ex RAAF & RAF WWII types, named them after squadrons. RAAF squadrons were numbed 450- 467.
466 being the famous Driffield (Norfolk, within sight of Lincoln cathedral) Wellington, then Halifax squadron.
My theory is that TAA, heavily invested with ex RAAF & RAF WWII types, named them after squadrons. RAAF squadrons were numbed 450- 467.
466 being the famous Driffield (Norfolk, within sight of Lincoln cathedral) Wellington, then Halifax squadron.
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737-200
I think it was a typo. Maybe 727-200 was meant.
We never operated 737-200.
Mike, I do agree in that this thread certainly put a smile on my dial, which is great because there is not a real lot to smile about elsewhere.
Keep it up one and all
We never operated 737-200.
Mike, I do agree in that this thread certainly put a smile on my dial, which is great because there is not a real lot to smile about elsewhere.
Keep it up one and all
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Chimbu, TN flight numbers were evens, North and Westbound, odds the other ways.
Im not sure the flight numbers related to squadron numbers deliberately. There was a register with all the various flight numbers for particular routes/special operations. Ferry flights, crew training flights, maintenance test flights, charters etc all had there own dedicated bracket of flight numbers.
Im not sure the flight numbers related to squadron numbers deliberately. There was a register with all the various flight numbers for particular routes/special operations. Ferry flights, crew training flights, maintenance test flights, charters etc all had there own dedicated bracket of flight numbers.
Captain John Humphreys : ex TAA skipper (DC-9/B727/A300)
i have discovered (in his logbook) that my father did another ferry flight to Honolulu in the DC-4 to bring back/exchange another DC-9 P&W engine.
this was a precursor to the other flight i discussed:logbook entry details
DC-4 : Rego : VH-TAF Crew :Captain J C Humphreys : Donnit :Haigh
April 16th 1966 : SYD-NANDI 1:0 (day) + 8:35 (night)
April 17th 1966 :NANDI-CANTON ISL-HONOLULU 4:40 (day) + 12:00 (night)
April 19th 1966 : HONOLULU-CANTON ISL- NANDI 7:35 (day) + 8:30 (night)
April 20th 1966 : NANDI - MELBOURNE 5:0 (day) + 7:40 (night)
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dijon moutard
ps :those dc-4 freighters certainly earned their keep ;who would have thought a dc-4 would carry an engine for it's latter bretheren !
this was a precursor to the other flight i discussed:logbook entry details
DC-4 : Rego : VH-TAF Crew :Captain J C Humphreys : Donnit :Haigh
April 16th 1966 : SYD-NANDI 1:0 (day) + 8:35 (night)
April 17th 1966 :NANDI-CANTON ISL-HONOLULU 4:40 (day) + 12:00 (night)
April 19th 1966 : HONOLULU-CANTON ISL- NANDI 7:35 (day) + 8:30 (night)
April 20th 1966 : NANDI - MELBOURNE 5:0 (day) + 7:40 (night)
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dijon moutard
ps :those dc-4 freighters certainly earned their keep ;who would have thought a dc-4 would carry an engine for it's latter bretheren !
Captain J C Humphreys :ex TAA skipper and Canton Island
as far as i know Canton Isl is in the Kirrabatti Island group ; although now spelled with a "K" instead of a "C" !
cheers
dijon moutard
ps : here is the link for info on Canton Island Kanton Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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ps : here is the link for info on Canton Island Kanton Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Jabawocky
Dont't forget Kev Humpris - a total gentleman who could make an F27 look like a Lancaster taking off - beautiful airmanship. We would always go out an sit on a barrow or Ben Hur (Old TN pilots who flew through WNY would well remember the ubiquotos cut down Commer) just to watch him ease the girl off the ground, just like it was a thousand pounds over MBRW with a bouncing bomb in the belly.
He never went off propeller, and stepped down to the F27 by choice, God bless him.
Mopac
The DC9 freighters were cabin load with bags strapped into the seats at 77kg limit - less of course the weight of the bag from memory.
I would like to think you were in shambles planning around the time I was at TN WNY. I would send through on teletype our requirements for us at WNY and for "Rocky" Ray Stone at DPO for peak periods like Easter. Ray could never get hus point across, but I could break "Ray Speak" down. We eventually got the available aircraft advised and sent back a mini consolidated plan for the available equipment complete with flight numbers.
They were usually loaded as sent.
That was when TN dropped 4 number flight numbers for "specials" as agents were wary of them as they were liable to be chopped if groups dropped out. My one little impact in this domestic industry as I argued it made the punters wary.
One Easter weekend when the weather went to hell I had an ex F27 FO call on Transair to WNY at about 0300 to have a friendly dig that we were still 0on air with an air return back from MEL. When I got the call from TJL I nearly cacked myself, but he was just checking in and not needing to divert as it would have been interesting to get TJL out again. He did enquire if we still had the cheese on sale in the fridge and was advised in the affirmative.
Any aeroplane that leaves a nice black stripe in the sky behind and crackles under a decent amount of applied power is a serious aeroplane to me.
Greenpeace - go pound sand up your collective Borg arse.
Best all
EWL
Dont't forget Kev Humpris - a total gentleman who could make an F27 look like a Lancaster taking off - beautiful airmanship. We would always go out an sit on a barrow or Ben Hur (Old TN pilots who flew through WNY would well remember the ubiquotos cut down Commer) just to watch him ease the girl off the ground, just like it was a thousand pounds over MBRW with a bouncing bomb in the belly.
He never went off propeller, and stepped down to the F27 by choice, God bless him.
Mopac
The DC9 freighters were cabin load with bags strapped into the seats at 77kg limit - less of course the weight of the bag from memory.
I would like to think you were in shambles planning around the time I was at TN WNY. I would send through on teletype our requirements for us at WNY and for "Rocky" Ray Stone at DPO for peak periods like Easter. Ray could never get hus point across, but I could break "Ray Speak" down. We eventually got the available aircraft advised and sent back a mini consolidated plan for the available equipment complete with flight numbers.
They were usually loaded as sent.
That was when TN dropped 4 number flight numbers for "specials" as agents were wary of them as they were liable to be chopped if groups dropped out. My one little impact in this domestic industry as I argued it made the punters wary.
One Easter weekend when the weather went to hell I had an ex F27 FO call on Transair to WNY at about 0300 to have a friendly dig that we were still 0on air with an air return back from MEL. When I got the call from TJL I nearly cacked myself, but he was just checking in and not needing to divert as it would have been interesting to get TJL out again. He did enquire if we still had the cheese on sale in the fridge and was advised in the affirmative.
Any aeroplane that leaves a nice black stripe in the sky behind and crackles under a decent amount of applied power is a serious aeroplane to me.
Greenpeace - go pound sand up your collective Borg arse.
Best all
EWL
Thread-drift sorry. EastWest, as a Tasmanian (?) these pics at HBA are for you and anybody else who may be interested
:
State Library of Tasmania catalogue • "Hobart Airport, engine maintenance, Beechcraft aeroplane"
This too at HBA (sorry it's not as ergonomic as a DC9):
State Library of Tasmania catalogue • "Hobart Airport, Pilots in cockpit of Viscount aeroplane"
Met office HBA:
State Library of Tasmania catalogue • "Cambridge Airport, Captain reports to civil aviation officer"
This is what's lacking now and why kids aren't getting into aviation (HBA again):
State Library of Tasmania catalogue • "Cambridge Airport, Captain of Convair"
State Library of Tasmania catalogue • "Cambridge Airport, cockpit of Convair"
State Library of Tasmania catalogue • "Cambridge Airport, air hostess of Convair"
A slightly battle-damaged 727-100 on HBA ramp:
State Library of Tasmania catalogue • "Hobart Airport, Boeing 727 Jet"
State Library of Tasmania catalogue • "Hobart Airport, Boeing 727 Jet"
:
State Library of Tasmania catalogue • "Hobart Airport, engine maintenance, Beechcraft aeroplane"
This too at HBA (sorry it's not as ergonomic as a DC9):
State Library of Tasmania catalogue • "Hobart Airport, Pilots in cockpit of Viscount aeroplane"
Met office HBA:
State Library of Tasmania catalogue • "Cambridge Airport, Captain reports to civil aviation officer"
This is what's lacking now and why kids aren't getting into aviation (HBA again):
State Library of Tasmania catalogue • "Cambridge Airport, Captain of Convair"
State Library of Tasmania catalogue • "Cambridge Airport, cockpit of Convair"
State Library of Tasmania catalogue • "Cambridge Airport, air hostess of Convair"
A slightly battle-damaged 727-100 on HBA ramp:
State Library of Tasmania catalogue • "Hobart Airport, Boeing 727 Jet"
State Library of Tasmania catalogue • "Hobart Airport, Boeing 727 Jet"
TAA DC-9 Fleet
DC-9-31: VH-TJJ (Edmund Kennedy, Hamilton Hume), VH-TJK (Douglas Mawson), VH-TJL (Angus McMillan), VH-TJM (John Roe, Robert Towns), VH-TJN (Paul Strzelecki), VH-TJ0 (William Wentworth), VH-TJP (Charles Kingsford Smith), VH-TJQ (John Flynn), VH-TJR (George Bass), VH-TJS (Peter Warburton, Douglas Mawson), VH-TJT (Joseph Hawdon), VH-TJU (John Roe).
(the 'J' designator following from the 727's, being the first Jet aircraft in the TAA fleet)
cheers
dijon moutard
(the 'J' designator following from the 727's, being the first Jet aircraft in the TAA fleet)
cheers
dijon moutard