V1 map?
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V1 map?
Does anyone know where online one can find a map of all V1 bomb sites? I am particularly interested to find out which parts of my neck of the woods (SE London) were involuntarily modified by the V1s ( and indeed the V2s). A Google trawl revealed nothing.
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V1 targets/or not?
Opposite Purley Cricket Club in The Ridge is one, we had our front door and windows blown out in No 15. I seem to remember one fell somewhere near the Tram depot in Purley. Hope this helps Alan
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I will try to find a book published by the Sutton library, showing where all the V1's came down in the South East.
I made a post some years ago about one my mother and sister and I ran 75yds from outside St.Helier hospital, Carshalton in July 1944, to a shelter which saved our lives. It exploded as we got half-way down the slope into the shelter.
The only V2 that came close, came down in Tooting - you didn't see those coming of course.
I made a post some years ago about one my mother and sister and I ran 75yds from outside St.Helier hospital, Carshalton in July 1944, to a shelter which saved our lives. It exploded as we got half-way down the slope into the shelter.
The only V2 that came close, came down in Tooting - you didn't see those coming of course.
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I'm going from memory here, but I think there is a map in one of the plates in R. V. Jones' book "Most Secret War".
bigal and Pop,
I hesitate to say this, but Professor Jones may have been responsible for your close encounters with V1s. In his book, he describes how they used a "turned" agent to feed back V1 impact data to the Germans. They gave the time of impact correctly, but they gave the impact point as further along track than the actual impact.
As they expected, this resulted in the V1 technicians reducing the distance to be flown in the counter (driven by a small propellor in the nose). This had the effect of moving the mean impact point southeast of central London. Great if you lived in central or northwest London. Not so great if you lived in Surrey or Kent!
The book is an excellent read covering all aspects of scientific intelligence from the "Battle of the Beams", through radar development, Oboe, Gee, Window to the V1 and V2.
I'm going from memory here, but I think there is a map in one of the plates in R. V. Jones' book "Most Secret War".
bigal and Pop,
I hesitate to say this, but Professor Jones may have been responsible for your close encounters with V1s. In his book, he describes how they used a "turned" agent to feed back V1 impact data to the Germans. They gave the time of impact correctly, but they gave the impact point as further along track than the actual impact.
As they expected, this resulted in the V1 technicians reducing the distance to be flown in the counter (driven by a small propellor in the nose). This had the effect of moving the mean impact point southeast of central London. Great if you lived in central or northwest London. Not so great if you lived in Surrey or Kent!
The book is an excellent read covering all aspects of scientific intelligence from the "Battle of the Beams", through radar development, Oboe, Gee, Window to the V1 and V2.
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Yes there is, I have it in front of me, plate 24 in Jones' book. It is Flak Regiment 155(W)'s battle map showing dark spots, which were the fall of V-1s in London as reported by German 'agents'. Not surprisingly these are clustered together around Central London, and to the west. Then it has white spots, which were the fall of V-1s as indicated by radio transmitters mounted in sample missiles. These are mainly to the south of London, as a result of the 'agents' reporting North London hits as hitting the central area.
On page 534, Jones says that the Allies found this map when the Flak Regiment's HQ was overrun. It was surprising that the deception had worked because Jones had not known about the radio transmitters, which had correctly indicated that the bombs were falling short, whereas the 'agent's' reports said that they were tending to overshoot. But a written report in the regiment's files on the discrepancy stated that "the agents were particularly reliable, and therefore their information was to be accepted, and that there must be something wrong with the radio D/F (direction/finding) method."
On page 534, Jones says that the Allies found this map when the Flak Regiment's HQ was overrun. It was surprising that the deception had worked because Jones had not known about the radio transmitters, which had correctly indicated that the bombs were falling short, whereas the 'agent's' reports said that they were tending to overshoot. But a written report in the regiment's files on the discrepancy stated that "the agents were particularly reliable, and therefore their information was to be accepted, and that there must be something wrong with the radio D/F (direction/finding) method."
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I appears that the "turned agent" was Eddie Chapman, known as Agent "ZigZag" by his MI5 handlers. Googling him produces an astounding story of double-dealing and duplicity, which has been the subject of both books and a film, titled "Triple Cross" in which he was played by Christopher Plummer.
It seems that the false information that he fed to his German secret service masters resulted in alterations to the V1 range settings, which displaced their actual impact points away from the densely populated areas of central London. Hence a number fell short, in more rural areas of Kent and surrounding regions. Over 1,400 fell in Kent alone, and these are plotted on a map which the "Kent Messenger" newspaper published in September 1944. It is reproduced in various books, etc, and I have a copy in a book titled "Kent at War" by Bob Ogley published by Froglets Publications and the KM Group.
Many of those that fell were shot down by AA fire and by fighter attacks, and as a 5 year old living in mid Kent with my mother, I can clearly remember the exciting sights of "doodlebugs" being pursued by RAF fighters with guns visibly and audibly blazing! To a 5 year old, all RAF fighters were "Spitfires", but now I suspect that Tempests and Mustangs were also involved. On one occasion while playing in our garden, a fighter came alongside a "pop-popping" V1 and seemed to flip it over, so it plunged to the ground - my mother rushed out into the garden and yanked me back indoors, just as it exploded with a frightening "whoompf". In our living-room the small panes of window glass all bulged suddenly inwards against their metal frames, and just as suddenly went back to normal, without cracking! It was a dramatic demonstration of the effects of blast, and of the surprisingly elastic properties of glass in certain circumstances.
I appears that the "turned agent" was Eddie Chapman, known as Agent "ZigZag" by his MI5 handlers. Googling him produces an astounding story of double-dealing and duplicity, which has been the subject of both books and a film, titled "Triple Cross" in which he was played by Christopher Plummer.
It seems that the false information that he fed to his German secret service masters resulted in alterations to the V1 range settings, which displaced their actual impact points away from the densely populated areas of central London. Hence a number fell short, in more rural areas of Kent and surrounding regions. Over 1,400 fell in Kent alone, and these are plotted on a map which the "Kent Messenger" newspaper published in September 1944. It is reproduced in various books, etc, and I have a copy in a book titled "Kent at War" by Bob Ogley published by Froglets Publications and the KM Group.
Many of those that fell were shot down by AA fire and by fighter attacks, and as a 5 year old living in mid Kent with my mother, I can clearly remember the exciting sights of "doodlebugs" being pursued by RAF fighters with guns visibly and audibly blazing! To a 5 year old, all RAF fighters were "Spitfires", but now I suspect that Tempests and Mustangs were also involved. On one occasion while playing in our garden, a fighter came alongside a "pop-popping" V1 and seemed to flip it over, so it plunged to the ground - my mother rushed out into the garden and yanked me back indoors, just as it exploded with a frightening "whoompf". In our living-room the small panes of window glass all bulged suddenly inwards against their metal frames, and just as suddenly went back to normal, without cracking! It was a dramatic demonstration of the effects of blast, and of the surprisingly elastic properties of glass in certain circumstances.
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thank you for reminding me about the RV Jones book. I read it many years ago, and must dig it out of my attic. (seem to remember he had a very dry writing style).
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that website is brilliant - just the sort of detailed locational info I was after.
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thank you for reminding me about the RV Jones book. I read it many years ago, and must dig it out of my attic. (seem to remember he had a very dry writing style).
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that website is brilliant - just the sort of detailed locational info I was after.
Many thanks to all - the power of Pprune!
Skua
skua, a bit further away from London there's this:
http://www.nvr.org.uk/stations/guide.pdf
Apparently a V1 landed close to Castor station. The crater is supposed to be still visible but I couldn't see it when I went past the site the other day - probably looking in the wrong place.
On second thought -- it's ahelluva long way from London , did they have the range or is it a local myth to attract custom?
http://www.nvr.org.uk/stations/guide.pdf
Apparently a V1 landed close to Castor station. The crater is supposed to be still visible but I couldn't see it when I went past the site the other day - probably looking in the wrong place.
On second thought -- it's ahelluva long way from London , did they have the range or is it a local myth to attract custom?
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After the ground-launching of V1 flying bombs had stopped, I understand that for a period, the Luftwaffe air-launched a number, from adapted Heinkel bombers. So it seems possible that one might have fallen at Castor, having been transported by a carrier aircraft, perhaps?
After the ground-launching of V1 flying bombs had stopped, I understand that for a period, the Luftwaffe air-launched a number, from adapted Heinkel bombers. So it seems possible that one might have fallen at Castor, having been transported by a carrier aircraft, perhaps?
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Banstead Library and local bookshops sell Memories of Wartime Banstead District by Banstead History Research Group (check their website) - the inside front cover shows a map of Banstead old Urban District Council area with plots shown for all types of bombs that landed in the area including all high explosive, all incendiary, crashed aircraft and of particular interest to you the 37 V1 and 2 V2. Seem to remember seeing this map on display in Banstead Library at one time - may still be available by prior permission.
Photograph 1998/35205 - Photographic collection, London Transport Museum
My late great grandfather and great grandmother had what was believed to be the last but one V2 to arrive in UK in their back garden about thirty yards away. The house was a wood frame building with wire netting rendered over. The explosion blew half the roof tiles off, all the doors and window frames out and shattered most of the rendering. They were in the kitchen at the back of the house and didn’t get a scratch. Apart from a severe dose of deafness for a couple of days there were unharmed. The carcass of the house was virtually undamaged and after a new roof, windows, doors and rendering they were back in business.
It changes hands a couple of years ago for £485,000.
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I have a book called "Buzz Bomb" purchased at Headcorn Aerodrome, produced by the Kent Aviation Historical Research Society. It covers mainly Kent, but includes S.E. London up to Bromley/Beckenham. There must be other books, try The Aviation Bookshop, Tunbridge Wells. Address available online.
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Rgarding the range of these things, I'm sure I remember being told that one landed just outside the village where I grew up, Brill, in Bucks (about prob 50 miles as the crow flies from London )
Good background in the book "The Flying Bomb War" by Peter Haining, Robson Books. We lived about a mile North of Kenley during the Summer of 1944 (although our postal address was Purley) and we "lost" our back windows twice, though regretably I cannot recall where the Bombs' dropped.
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A V-1 destroyed houses in Regina Rd, Southall - not far from RAF Heston - in August 1944. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/s...a2061370.shtml
A look through http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/categories/c54649/ might produce some more locations and stories.
A look through http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/categories/c54649/ might produce some more locations and stories.