BA712 BOAC B707 Crash Heathrow 1968
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"She did not see the engine fall away but it was described to me that it fell into a flooded gravel pit about a mile from their house, in the area of Thorpe Park and the M25/M3 junction nowadays"
If I remember correctly, it was known as Marco's Pit (or DeMarco's), and it is located to the east of Chertsey Lane, close to the main entrance to Thorpe Park. The pit is still there, used as a fishing lake, and a bit of a "sh*thole", according to a recent description I've received!
If I remember correctly, it was known as Marco's Pit (or DeMarco's), and it is located to the east of Chertsey Lane, close to the main entrance to Thorpe Park. The pit is still there, used as a fishing lake, and a bit of a "sh*thole", according to a recent description I've received!
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The Stewardess who died was Barbara Jane Harrison, who was awarded a posthumous GC.
My father had cause to visit the BA museum near LHR last year, and in passing heard a rather touching story. The museum has a display about Barbara Harrison (including, I think Dad said, the GC itself). Every year, on the anniversary of the accident, a guy turns up and leaves flowers.
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In its history, the GC has been awarded directly to only four women, three of them in WW2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Jane_Harrison
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Jane_Harrison
i'm not that fated lol
the OP said a new book was coming out on this
may i have the details please
the OP said a new book was coming out on this
may i have the details please
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Here's a link to Amazon for the book. It's called "Fire over Heathrow - The Tragedy of Flight 712".
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fire-Over-He...2339531&sr=1-3
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fire-Over-He...2339531&sr=1-3
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thanks for that
i will get one
i will get one
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New Book
I received my copy of the BA712 accident book today and have nearly finished it.
I didn't appreciate that BOAC had a very similar incident in Honolulu prior to the Heathrow accident. They certainly seemed to have some engine problems with those Conways at the time. Also, the Heathrow fire service were woefully under equipped and co-ordination between the various emergency services was very poor. The book certainly gave me a new insight into that accident.
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I didn't appreciate that BOAC had a very similar incident in Honolulu prior to the Heathrow accident. They certainly seemed to have some engine problems with those Conways at the time. Also, the Heathrow fire service were woefully under equipped and co-ordination between the various emergency services was very poor. The book certainly gave me a new insight into that accident.
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Shortly after the BA712 accident BOAC had another RR Conway "let go" this time it was during a maintenance ground run, the engineers had to make adjustments to an outbd engine and so had to run the engine on the other side to balance.
It must have been a bit of a shock when the "good" engine LP Turbine exploded! fortunatly no one was hurt and the aircraft had a new outer wing section grafted on.
It must have been a bit of a shock when the "good" engine LP Turbine exploded! fortunatly no one was hurt and the aircraft had a new outer wing section grafted on.
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A&C,
The aircraft that had the turbine disc come adrift while ground running was a long time after the BA712 accident.
It was G-APFP and the engineers were running an engine that they had fixed, and had the opposite side one running as a comparison. The one being used for the comparison shed it compressor disc that cut into the wing and a huge fuel fire ensued.
The airplane was repaired using a wing from a retired TWA aircraft, and flew again for a few years before being sold to Boeing for $1 and then flown to Philadelphia where it was put in front of the Franklin Institute for many years before being scrapped to make way for a car park!!
The wing repair was a very intricate one, and a credit to those that did it as it flew just as well as the others in the fleet afterwards.
Speedbird 48.
The aircraft that had the turbine disc come adrift while ground running was a long time after the BA712 accident.
It was G-APFP and the engineers were running an engine that they had fixed, and had the opposite side one running as a comparison. The one being used for the comparison shed it compressor disc that cut into the wing and a huge fuel fire ensued.
The airplane was repaired using a wing from a retired TWA aircraft, and flew again for a few years before being sold to Boeing for $1 and then flown to Philadelphia where it was put in front of the Franklin Institute for many years before being scrapped to make way for a car park!!
The wing repair was a very intricate one, and a credit to those that did it as it flew just as well as the others in the fleet afterwards.
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'Exploding' Conways aside, the engine was quite unique, and provided a needed boost to the early straight-pipe 707 intercontinental designs where, if one was heavy, up close and personal with the far end of the runway was a usual occurance.
Got your attention real quick...
Got your attention real quick...
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It was practice to run an opposite engine on the -436's during a ground run so that the enormous strain on the nose gear was relieved.Never used as comparison,just to stop ripping off a nose tyre or damaging the gear mountings etc.
It was 'FP and part of a TWA wing was grafted on and plates added "wedding cake " style externally.
The Conway was a very good engine for its time although a little thirsty over the fans.
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It was 'FP and part of a TWA wing was grafted on and plates added "wedding cake " style externally.
The Conway was a very good engine for its time although a little thirsty over the fans.
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The 707-436 came to be known, unkindly, as 'The Old Banger' contrasting with the much newer JT3D-3 powered -336s which were then beginning to arrive in some numbers. What a good aircraft that was. The initial three came as freighters, but with a complete set of passenger cabin windows. Hmm ... 
The VC10, incidentally, was christened 'The Iron Duck' because from certain angles in flight, it kind of looked like one.
The VC10, incidentally, was christened 'The Iron Duck' because from certain angles in flight, it kind of looked like one.
I am just reminded, and it's probably in the book, that one of the factors behind the rapid evacuation was there was a complete relief crew, in uniform, on board deadheading out to Zurich to bring another BOAC aircraft back, and who obviously doubled up the crew able to assist.
The cargo door 707320C became the default aircraft model, with windows giving a fully convertible aircraft. Many went to cargo use in later years. It was a fraction more costly due to the extra weight and purchase price of the door, but for passenger airlines in the US there was a subsidy paid by the US government to airlines who committed their fleets to possible emergency use by the military, for which the cargo door was required. This standard configuration spread out across other carriers as well, and in the end was justified in the final secondhand price, as by the late 1970s cargo-or-passenger 707s were still in demand whereas passenger-only ones became unsaleable.
Some airlines left the windows in, others installed quite-obvious plugs (which may just have been covers), and others did a proper job with plugs fully painted over.
JT3D-3 powered -336s ....... the initial three came as freighters, but with a complete set of passenger cabin windows. Hmm ...
Some airlines left the windows in, others installed quite-obvious plugs (which may just have been covers), and others did a proper job with plugs fully painted over.
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Some Bradford Telegraph and Argus item about the book.
http://tinyurl.com/6gwu57
BBC TV covered the event yesterday but no video is available on line.
http://tinyurl.com/6gwu57
BBC TV covered the event yesterday but no video is available on line.
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Ex-stewardess relives crash in new book
Apr 9 2008 By Birmingham Mail Reporter
A FORMER flight attendant who helped save the lives of scores of passengers when a plane crashed at Heathrow has told her story in a book to coincide with the 40th anniversary of the tragedy.
Rosalind Chatterley's dedication and quick-thinking was recognised across the globe after she found herself a member of the cabin crew of BOAC flight 712, known as "Whisky Echo", destined for Sydney via Zurich.
Moments after take off, the engines caught fire and the plane turned back to Heathrow.
Five people, including stewardess Barbara Harrison, died in an explosion after it landed. Ms Harrison was posthumously awarded the George Cross – the first woman to receive it during peace time.
Mrs Chatterley’s experience has been recorded in a book, Fire Over Heathrow: The Tragedy of Flight 712 by Susan Ottaway, published to coincide with the 40th anniversary of the disaster.
Today, speaking from her home in Solihull, she described the action she took with first steward Andrew McCarthy and chief steward Neville Davies-Gordon as the drama unfolded.
Mrs Chatterley, whose only injury was a slight burn on the arm, said: "Just about a minute into the flight, there was a loud bang. Andy and I looked at one another and together said, ’What’s that?’
"Touchdown went smoothly. We made a slight turn to port, shuddered and stopped. After no more than three-and-a-half to four minutes after take off, we were back on the ground."
Describing the moments after the aircraft landed, she recalled: "We just pushed and shoved passengers out, generally without cabin baggage – about a body every second.
"Some passengers remained calm. I recall seeing a poor lady at the bottom of the chute. She just stood there and wet herself. One of the aircraft tyres was rolling towards another lady passenger.
A fireman helped her away and another managed to divert the tyre’s course of rolling. Whilst all this was going on, the aircraft exploded three to four times." The casualties were discovered once the fire had been extinguished.
They included Ms Harrison, a young girl, a disabled woman and two people who suffocated. Mrs Chatterley said she believed Ms Harrison had been killed while trying to rescue the child. Since the accident, changes to aeroplanes were made, she said.
These included the introduction of secure overhead lockers.
The Facts
Rosalind Chatterley left BOAC in July 1970 to get married. "In those days, you couldn’t be married and fly," she said. "But once a flying girl, always a flying girl"
Before Mrs Chatterley left the airline, she travelled around the world 72 times .
The longest time she spent in one place was 45 days in Fiji, while waiting for essential engineering work to be carried out on an aeroplane
Most of her career was spent in first class as it was BOAC company policy for new flight attendants to work at a high standard at the start of their career. This she said, was pure "silver service", with seven-course meals and gourmet diningn Among her first class passengers were politicians, businessmen and members of the Royal Family and their staff.
Mrs Chatterley, who was a trained nursery nurse and fluent in French and Spanish, said cabin crew also needed to be fluent in more than one language and training in a form of child care or health
Prince Philip, who was in his office at Windsor Castle when he spotted Flight 712 in the sky and watched it through binoculars, has written the foreword for Susan Ottaway’s Fire Over Heathrow: The Tragedy of Flight 712
A FORMER flight attendant who helped save the lives of scores of passengers when a plane crashed at Heathrow has told her story in a book to coincide with the 40th anniversary of the tragedy.
Rosalind Chatterley's dedication and quick-thinking was recognised across the globe after she found herself a member of the cabin crew of BOAC flight 712, known as "Whisky Echo", destined for Sydney via Zurich.
Moments after take off, the engines caught fire and the plane turned back to Heathrow.
Five people, including stewardess Barbara Harrison, died in an explosion after it landed. Ms Harrison was posthumously awarded the George Cross – the first woman to receive it during peace time.
Mrs Chatterley’s experience has been recorded in a book, Fire Over Heathrow: The Tragedy of Flight 712 by Susan Ottaway, published to coincide with the 40th anniversary of the disaster.
Today, speaking from her home in Solihull, she described the action she took with first steward Andrew McCarthy and chief steward Neville Davies-Gordon as the drama unfolded.
Mrs Chatterley, whose only injury was a slight burn on the arm, said: "Just about a minute into the flight, there was a loud bang. Andy and I looked at one another and together said, ’What’s that?’
"Touchdown went smoothly. We made a slight turn to port, shuddered and stopped. After no more than three-and-a-half to four minutes after take off, we were back on the ground."
Describing the moments after the aircraft landed, she recalled: "We just pushed and shoved passengers out, generally without cabin baggage – about a body every second.
"Some passengers remained calm. I recall seeing a poor lady at the bottom of the chute. She just stood there and wet herself. One of the aircraft tyres was rolling towards another lady passenger.
A fireman helped her away and another managed to divert the tyre’s course of rolling. Whilst all this was going on, the aircraft exploded three to four times." The casualties were discovered once the fire had been extinguished.
They included Ms Harrison, a young girl, a disabled woman and two people who suffocated. Mrs Chatterley said she believed Ms Harrison had been killed while trying to rescue the child. Since the accident, changes to aeroplanes were made, she said.
These included the introduction of secure overhead lockers.
The Facts
Rosalind Chatterley left BOAC in July 1970 to get married. "In those days, you couldn’t be married and fly," she said. "But once a flying girl, always a flying girl"
Before Mrs Chatterley left the airline, she travelled around the world 72 times .
The longest time she spent in one place was 45 days in Fiji, while waiting for essential engineering work to be carried out on an aeroplane
Most of her career was spent in first class as it was BOAC company policy for new flight attendants to work at a high standard at the start of their career. This she said, was pure "silver service", with seven-course meals and gourmet diningn Among her first class passengers were politicians, businessmen and members of the Royal Family and their staff.
Mrs Chatterley, who was a trained nursery nurse and fluent in French and Spanish, said cabin crew also needed to be fluent in more than one language and training in a form of child care or health
Prince Philip, who was in his office at Windsor Castle when he spotted Flight 712 in the sky and watched it through binoculars, has written the foreword for Susan Ottaway’s Fire Over Heathrow: The Tragedy of Flight 712