Aer Lingus Viscount accident--off Strumble
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Aer Lingus Viscount accident--off Tuskar
Anyone know where i can find out more about this accident that occured in the 50s/60s please.
A/C just seems to have dissapeared with rumours of it being shot down or colliding with a military aircraft
A/C just seems to have dissapeared with rumours of it being shot down or colliding with a military aircraft
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Try here
http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=19680324-0
and here
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=1&gl=uk
Try here
http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=19680324-0
and here
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=1&gl=uk
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Quite likely not related but did Aer Lingus not loose a Viscount through corrosion in the tail cone cause by nicotine deposited at a leak in the rear pressure bulkhead?
I think the Strumble Viscount went into the sea near Tuskar Rock. If I recall correctly, a witness described it as being in a spin. I think The Royal Navy were operating in the area and rumours of an inadvertent shoot-down persisted.
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No, you may be confusing this with the BEA Vanguard accident in Belgium in, I think, the late sixties or early seventies that was caused by corrosion at the rear bulkhead and most likely caused by fluid leakage from the rear lavatories into the bilges.
There were considerable engineering inspections required for many if not all pressurised aircraft subsequently as far as I remember.
No, you may be confusing this with the BEA Vanguard accident in Belgium in, I think, the late sixties or early seventies that was caused by corrosion at the rear bulkhead and most likely caused by fluid leakage from the rear lavatories into the bilges.
There were considerable engineering inspections required for many if not all pressurised aircraft subsequently as far as I remember.
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I did not know about that one Boris though it is an interesting snippet to have stored away for the future!
I cannot be sure about the Viscount and the nicotine but I am sure enough to search further, initial searches are not very promising though!
I cannot be sure about the Viscount and the nicotine but I am sure enough to search further, initial searches are not very promising though!
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Bit more than a snippet I'm afraid. The whole tail was blown off in the cruise and all on board perished!
October 2nd., 1971, 63 died.
October 2nd., 1971, 63 died.
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I only gawp a little less at 49 crashes - does this mean actual crashes, or 'incidents' ?
If real crashes, it sounds a horrifying statistic - I know aircraft, possibly especially early turboprop & airliners of the time in general were venturing into areas that were insufficiently understood, but this sounds like one had a better bet getting into a 2-seat Starfighter !
I only gawp a little less at 49 crashes - does this mean actual crashes, or 'incidents' ?
If real crashes, it sounds a horrifying statistic - I know aircraft, possibly especially early turboprop & airliners of the time in general were venturing into areas that were insufficiently understood, but this sounds like one had a better bet getting into a 2-seat Starfighter !
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More gawping, I would like to correct that figure and quote 131 crashes, that is 131 crashes resulting in Cat.A1 damage (write off).
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Viscount
Now I reckon we're talking 'incidents' - one can write off a plane by driving into it parked etc; I really can't believe the Viscount had a record like that; in fact though I don't have to hand the no. made but how many Viscounts were there for that to be even vaguely proportional in terms of flying accidents ?!
I don't recall it being known as a death-trap, quite the reverse, and it only took a couple of Comets coming down to cause uproar...
Will have to have a look at these figures when I get the chance, you've got me intrigued now !
I don't recall it being known as a death-trap, quite the reverse, and it only took a couple of Comets coming down to cause uproar...
Will have to have a look at these figures when I get the chance, you've got me intrigued now !
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436 aircraft produced. Check my addition on this site.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/...e.php?type=493
http://aviation-safety.net/database/...e.php?type=493
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I rather suspect that the Dart engines had a hand in all these accidents.
Although a very reliable design, the Dart suffered from poor acceleration from low RPM's, and if one was not mindful of the characteristic, a rapid descent could well turn out to be less than desirable.
IE; pull the power off rapidly...better be prepared to land, somewhere.
Although a very reliable design, the Dart suffered from poor acceleration from low RPM's, and if one was not mindful of the characteristic, a rapid descent could well turn out to be less than desirable.
IE; pull the power off rapidly...better be prepared to land, somewhere.
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Total accident numbers are less important than rates...
Number produced
Electra: 170 claimed in Wiki though many say not much more than 120 actually delivered
Iluyshin 18: 719
Viscount: 436
So by those figures
57/170 Electras .... 1 in 3 on large production figures.. 1 in 2 on smaller!
99/719 Iluyshins .... 1 in 7
144/436 Viscounts.... 1 in 3
Then again that makes no allowance for actual numbers of sectors operated, or hours... man statistics can be hard.
Number produced
Electra: 170 claimed in Wiki though many say not much more than 120 actually delivered
Iluyshin 18: 719
Viscount: 436
So by those figures
57/170 Electras .... 1 in 3 on large production figures.. 1 in 2 on smaller!
99/719 Iluyshins .... 1 in 7
144/436 Viscounts.... 1 in 3
Then again that makes no allowance for actual numbers of sectors operated, or hours... man statistics can be hard.
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Electra: 170 claimed in Wiki though many say not much more than 120 actually delivered
Don't believe everything you read in Wiki...
