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It has been about twelve years since I last managed to get my hands on a Keil Kraft kit
I remember making the Lysander model (my favourite aircraft when I were but a boy - don't ask me why), fantastic!
Do they still exist?
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Keil Kraft
Quite often, Keil Kraft kits come up on a well known e-trading forum; also short kits are produced by a UK manufacturer. I have just ordered a KK Competitor to relive a part of my younger life.
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Lysanders or Kiel Kraft?
Kiel Kraft - ain't seen a good old Lysander flying for quite afew years
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Kiel Kraft - ain't seen a good old Lysander flying for quite afew years
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Then may I suggest you consider visiting the Shuttleworth collection at Old Warden ( near Bedford) on one of their flying days?
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'twas there that I last saw one. Problem is that I no longer seem able to coincide my trips back to the UK with the flying days at Old Warden.
As a point of interest I used to live in Old Warden when I was six years old, went to the local village school an' all (closed now so I am told).
As a point of interest I used to live in Old Warden when I was six years old, went to the local village school an' all (closed now so I am told).
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It's the only one currently going I gather.
I was also less than 15 miles from OW when you were there as a lad and used to cycle over at weekends from time to time from Stopsley and talk my way in, using young age as a weapon!
Allan Wheeler was then the Boss -innocent and happy days.
I was also less than 15 miles from OW when you were there as a lad and used to cycle over at weekends from time to time from Stopsley and talk my way in, using young age as a weapon!
Allan Wheeler was then the Boss -innocent and happy days
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Yes, it's funny, but we never seemed to have to pay to go into the collection. Children always were around. I think that with such a small village everyone knew everyone else and appeared to conspire to keep us out of trouble by giving us the opportunity to learn about things that were not taught in school.
I could always get in, but could not take my dog. Shame that, the dog went everywhere else with me.
As you say RETDPI, innocent and happy days.
I could always get in, but could not take my dog. Shame that, the dog went everywhere else with me.
As you say RETDPI, innocent and happy days
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Ackles & Pollock (aka "Shackles & Bollocks") also apparently built the steel frame for Donald Campbell's K7 Bluebird (the boat) - half an inch out of true!
see www.bluebirdproject.com - definitely a wonderful restoration job!
see www.bluebirdproject.com - definitely a wonderful restoration job!
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Sedbergh,
you remind me of another set of advertisements in Flight from Accles and Pollock where they listed various versions of their name, claiming to be taken from letters written to them - the only one I can remember was 'Freckles and Sunspot', anyone else recall this?
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you remind me of another set of advertisements in Flight from Accles and Pollock where they listed various versions of their name, claiming to be taken from letters written to them - the only one I can remember was 'Freckles and Sunspot', anyone else recall this?
VnV
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I've a Salisbury paper dated Sept 29 1988 which reported that a restored Lysander, an ex Canadian machine, was flown into Old Sarum (my fathers flew Lysanders from there in 1941) The pilot was Mike Holloway who was flying the plane for the owner Brian Woodford in Dorset.
Anybody know if he still has it?
Also my father knew a George Holloway who ditched in the English Channel. My father was flying Spitfires and Hurricanes by this time
I wonder if he was a relative This was his entries in his diary....
30th August 1943 Hartford Bridge
The C/O Mackie and George Holloway went on a Rhubarb to do a bit of train busting and they attacked two trains which were passing each other. They then turned for home. Ten miles out from the French coast at Il Vierge they were bounced by 6 Fw190s which came from astern out of the clouds. They broke away but were pursued by the Fw190s. Mackie radioed to Holloway to climb for the cloud to escape, but Holloway’s aircraft was hit in the engine and starboard wing. George called to say that he was bailing out, after a head on attack with a 109. Mackie thought that George was probably too low and hoped that he would to ditch in the drink instead. Mackie reached cloud cover and circled for a while, giving out a Mayday fix then, low on fuel, he had to return to base.
2nd September 1943 Exeter - Hartford Bridge
At 7.45 we heard that 610 squadron has spotted a dinghy 64 miles out and were circling it. 4 aircraft, Mackie, Davis, Martin and I took off immediately to relieve 610. 40 miles out we overtook the Air Sea Rescue Walrus that had been sent out. We found several Spits, guarding George. The Spitfires were very short of fuel and returned. After dropping fluorescence, two of us circled the dinghy and the other two patrolled up-sun at sea-level. We watched as the Walrus landed and saw George climb into to seaplane. 8 Typhoon and a Hudson also arrived. The Walrus damaged one float as it took off in the choppy sea.
They flew back to Exeter safely I Holloway spent 66 hours in the sea.he said he said that dingy drill in the muddy puddle wasn't much of a preparation for the real thing!
Any info would be fantastic on either plane or pilot.
Motherbird
Anybody know if he still has it?
Also my father knew a George Holloway who ditched in the English Channel. My father was flying Spitfires and Hurricanes by this time
I wonder if he was a relative This was his entries in his diary....
30th August 1943 Hartford Bridge
The C/O Mackie and George Holloway went on a Rhubarb to do a bit of train busting and they attacked two trains which were passing each other. They then turned for home. Ten miles out from the French coast at Il Vierge they were bounced by 6 Fw190s which came from astern out of the clouds. They broke away but were pursued by the Fw190s. Mackie radioed to Holloway to climb for the cloud to escape, but Holloway’s aircraft was hit in the engine and starboard wing. George called to say that he was bailing out, after a head on attack with a 109. Mackie thought that George was probably too low and hoped that he would to ditch in the drink instead. Mackie reached cloud cover and circled for a while, giving out a Mayday fix then, low on fuel, he had to return to base.
2nd September 1943 Exeter - Hartford Bridge
At 7.45 we heard that 610 squadron has spotted a dinghy 64 miles out and were circling it. 4 aircraft, Mackie, Davis, Martin and I took off immediately to relieve 610. 40 miles out we overtook the Air Sea Rescue Walrus that had been sent out. We found several Spits, guarding George. The Spitfires were very short of fuel and returned. After dropping fluorescence, two of us circled the dinghy and the other two patrolled up-sun at sea-level. We watched as the Walrus landed and saw George climb into to seaplane. 8 Typhoon and a Hudson also arrived. The Walrus damaged one float as it took off in the choppy sea.
They flew back to Exeter safely I Holloway spent 66 hours in the sea.he said he said that dingy drill in the muddy puddle wasn't much of a preparation for the real thing!
Any info would be fantastic on either plane or pilot.
Motherbird
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Miles Marathon !!!
Now there was machine
We upgraded to these from Rapides at Derby Aviation
Of course eventually superceded by the DC3's
We had 3 of them that came from West African Airways Corporation.
Derby Aviation named the aircraft after Dales with Daks begining with D (Darley Dale, Derwent Dale, Dove Dale etc) and Marathons begining with M ( Matlock Dale, Monsal Dale, Millers Dale etc)
When the last Marathon was in the paint shop some wit put Mrs Dale on the nose
Miles Marathon !!!
Now there was machine
We upgraded to these from Rapides at Derby Aviation
Of course eventually superceded by the DC3's
We had 3 of them that came from West African Airways Corporation.
Derby Aviation named the aircraft after Dales with Daks begining with D (Darley Dale, Derwent Dale, Dove Dale etc) and Marathons begining with M ( Matlock Dale, Monsal Dale, Millers Dale etc)
When the last Marathon was in the paint shop some wit put Mrs Dale on the nose
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Many years ago Sabena retirees were rebuilding a Lysander in Brussels.
They had a corner of a hangar and as ex-Sabena employees they ahd access to all Sabena facilities on a "when not in use" basis.
Dont know what happened to the aircraft but it was well established when I saw it.
As some one said they were a big machine
They had a corner of a hangar and as ex-Sabena employees they ahd access to all Sabena facilities on a "when not in use" basis.
Dont know what happened to the aircraft but it was well established when I saw it.
As some one said they were a big machine
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Brian Woodford's Lizzie has apparently gone to the USA. It had a lot of problems with the engine until ARCO spotted a flaw. Then it flew brilliantly!
The Sabena Old Timers Lizzie flew for a few years but suffered accident damage and is now being rebuilt for a second time.
Think there is also a flyer in Canada.
Duxofrd had a formation of three (Woodford, SOT and Shuttleworth) on several occasions - plus the Blenheim and Gladiator, at the time all of the world's airworthy Mercurys I'd suggest (the Finnish Gauntlet has a P&W or Wright engine I believe).
The Sabena Old Timers Lizzie flew for a few years but suffered accident damage and is now being rebuilt for a second time.
Think there is also a flyer in Canada.
Duxofrd had a formation of three (Woodford, SOT and Shuttleworth) on several occasions - plus the Blenheim and Gladiator, at the time all of the world's airworthy Mercurys I'd suggest (the Finnish Gauntlet has a P&W or Wright engine I believe).
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Hi
Yes the ex Woodford Lysander has gone to the USA, sold to Kermit Weekes if I remember right. It had a trail of engine problems during it's time in the UK, including several in flight failures, even ending up inverted in a field on a test flight on one occasion.
Brian also had a Storch, the german equivalent I guess which made an interesting comparison! the Storch lived at his home strip at Chalmington Manor, but the Lysander was not able to use the short strip there and lived at Henstridge with the Rapide and Dragonfly.
T
Yes the ex Woodford Lysander has gone to the USA, sold to Kermit Weekes if I remember right. It had a trail of engine problems during it's time in the UK, including several in flight failures, even ending up inverted in a field on a test flight on one occasion.
Brian also had a Storch, the german equivalent I guess which made an interesting comparison! the Storch lived at his home strip at Chalmington Manor, but the Lysander was not able to use the short strip there and lived at Henstridge with the Rapide and Dragonfly.
T