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Do a google search for Air Atlantique and Gulf Air 50th anniversary as they painted one up for the 50 year aniversary of Gulf Air, but you will need to alter the registration on it, they did for the visit when it was on the ground though.
Some pics here to get you started
http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...nct_entry=true
Some pics here to get you started
http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...nct_entry=true
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Thank you very much! That was just what I was looking for!!!
bye bye
Micky
Ps. Why not check out this Website www.ltu-classic.de here you can see what LTU did for their 50th anniversary
bye bye
Micky
Ps. Why not check out this Website www.ltu-classic.de here you can see what LTU did for their 50th anniversary
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Hello Micky,
I'm sorry I can't help with pictures in the livery you requested.
I will always have a place in my heart for the Dove, as we used it as a 'camera ship ' among it's main communications duties at Dunsfold.
I went out of the 'loo window for air-to-air shots of Hawks etc, and via an idea by Chris Darwin, ex FAA, we removed the upper escape hatch ahead of the fin.
I went out to waist level on a harness ( sailing dinghy trapeze harness I'd wirelocked, tailed to a seat mounting on a rope by a chum ) to get head-on shots.
We went in steps, true test practice, up to 150 knots - at which point I couldn't raise an arm for signalling without it being blown aft. Clearly an intercom was required, but the aircraft was sold before we could sort things out.
I got the impression from the test pilots flying her that an engine failure on take-off would not be a great idea - then again a friends's father, Robin Milne, was test pilot on the type so there might be some records around.
When I left BAe I was presented with a painting of an idiot halfway out of the top of the Dove while a Harrier formated !
The last I heard of G-ASMG she is doing stirling service in Australia.
I'm sorry I can't help with pictures in the livery you requested.
I will always have a place in my heart for the Dove, as we used it as a 'camera ship ' among it's main communications duties at Dunsfold.
I went out of the 'loo window for air-to-air shots of Hawks etc, and via an idea by Chris Darwin, ex FAA, we removed the upper escape hatch ahead of the fin.
I went out to waist level on a harness ( sailing dinghy trapeze harness I'd wirelocked, tailed to a seat mounting on a rope by a chum ) to get head-on shots.
We went in steps, true test practice, up to 150 knots - at which point I couldn't raise an arm for signalling without it being blown aft. Clearly an intercom was required, but the aircraft was sold before we could sort things out.
I got the impression from the test pilots flying her that an engine failure on take-off would not be a great idea - then again a friends's father, Robin Milne, was test pilot on the type so there might be some records around.
When I left BAe I was presented with a painting of an idiot halfway out of the top of the Dove while a Harrier formated !
The last I heard of G-ASMG she is doing stirling service in Australia.
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Ps. Why not check out this Website www.ltu-classic.de here you can see what LTU did for their 50th anniversary
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Was the Dove a Messerschmitt? War Reparation.
While at Farnborough Technical College in 1975 I visited a tutor,s office . I think he was on loan from MBB Bulkow Messerschmitt , his name was Johannes Kuhl . I noticed a calendar on the wall with a picture of the DH Dove on it . I asked what a British Aircraft was doing on a German callendar and was told , "Originally it was a Messerschmitt , but it went to De Havillands as war reparation". I have never heard anything about this since , and can find nothing on the internet . Does anyone know anything more please?
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Lineshoot. Brabazon Committee funding for Type VB, to be DH.104: 25 February,1944. First flight 25 September,1945. Operation Paperclip vacuuming of German Aero data: throughout Summer,1945, concentrating on combat. Messerschmitt transport aircraft design activity: modest.
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DH104 Dove Series 8 formerly #04533 G-ASMG is now registered ZK-DHW, and is owned and operated by the Devon 21 Syndicate, North Shore Airfield(NZNE), Auckland, New Zealand.
Still wearing the basic British-Aerospace paint scheme.
Photos: De Havilland DH-104 Dove 8 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Still wearing the basic British-Aerospace paint scheme.
Photos: De Havilland DH-104 Dove 8 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
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Hectorusrex,
Many thanks for your post re. G-ASMG, Dunsfold's old comms'/ photo ship.
Great to see she's still going strong, I have passed the link to my ex-colleagues.
Regards,
DZ
Many thanks for your post re. G-ASMG, Dunsfold's old comms'/ photo ship.
Great to see she's still going strong, I have passed the link to my ex-colleagues.
Regards,
DZ
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Hi Double Zero.
ZK-DHW replaced # 04412/NZ1821/ZK-UDO which crash-landed at RNZAF Ohakea a couple of years ago, following the failure of a flap-jack end fitting when full flap was selected during a landing attempt in adverse weather.
Resultant flap asymmetry was greater than available aileron control.
Fortunately all on-board walked away from the wreckage.
Regards,
HectorusRex
ZK-DHW replaced # 04412/NZ1821/ZK-UDO which crash-landed at RNZAF Ohakea a couple of years ago, following the failure of a flap-jack end fitting when full flap was selected during a landing attempt in adverse weather.
Resultant flap asymmetry was greater than available aileron control.
Fortunately all on-board walked away from the wreckage.
Regards,
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HectorusRex,
A great pity about ZK-UDOX, but assymetric flap seems fair to say is every pilots' nightmare so I'm glad everyone got out.
I'd be interested to know the design snag / circumstances which allowed that to happen - did the aged rivets holding the flap-jacks simply fail in shear ? Can't see it being the bolts at the actual rose-joints.
As I'm sure you know, BAe had a fleet of several Doves from the 1970's to early 1980's, one based at each significant site.
Before that they used Dragon Rapides, after the Dove they used Jetstreams, which was an awful aircraft from my point of view.
The pressurised, irremovable windows were thick, distorting perspex, so useless as a camera ship except in lucky conditions and using experience ( still obviously not as good as open air with no perspex inbetween ), and the thing vibrated so much I watched the concentric rings forming in my coffee - just to put the icing on the cake, the Flight Test engineer opposite me, Dave Urri, a very good guy, leant across and said " I did the trials on these things - if they stall & get into a spin it's almost impossible to recover ".
There were indeed some tales of very hairy moments in the Jetstream development programme.
I had the honour of being invited to the right hand seat of G-ASMG when passing Heathrow, when ATC called " Mike Golf, for interest Concorde passing below you heading West " - I scrambled back into the cabin to tell my colleagues ( coming back from a Harrier flight test in Scotland at about 10,000ft) and we all saw the bird - slightly uncanny, seeing that wonderful shape in silence apart from the throb of our engines !
A great pity about ZK-UDOX, but assymetric flap seems fair to say is every pilots' nightmare so I'm glad everyone got out.
I'd be interested to know the design snag / circumstances which allowed that to happen - did the aged rivets holding the flap-jacks simply fail in shear ? Can't see it being the bolts at the actual rose-joints.
As I'm sure you know, BAe had a fleet of several Doves from the 1970's to early 1980's, one based at each significant site.
Before that they used Dragon Rapides, after the Dove they used Jetstreams, which was an awful aircraft from my point of view.
The pressurised, irremovable windows were thick, distorting perspex, so useless as a camera ship except in lucky conditions and using experience ( still obviously not as good as open air with no perspex inbetween ), and the thing vibrated so much I watched the concentric rings forming in my coffee - just to put the icing on the cake, the Flight Test engineer opposite me, Dave Urri, a very good guy, leant across and said " I did the trials on these things - if they stall & get into a spin it's almost impossible to recover ".
There were indeed some tales of very hairy moments in the Jetstream development programme.
I had the honour of being invited to the right hand seat of G-ASMG when passing Heathrow, when ATC called " Mike Golf, for interest Concorde passing below you heading West " - I scrambled back into the cabin to tell my colleagues ( coming back from a Harrier flight test in Scotland at about 10,000ft) and we all saw the bird - slightly uncanny, seeing that wonderful shape in silence apart from the throb of our engines !
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I think the Dragon Rapides left about 1965, replaced by Dove G-ARBE.
G-ASMG was at Dunsfold from at least 1967, I clearly remember sorting out the port engine fire warning system around the middle of 1967.
Ciarain.
I think the Dragon Rapides left about 1965, replaced by Dove G-ARBE.
G-ASMG was at Dunsfold from at least 1967, I clearly remember sorting out the port engine fire warning system around the middle of 1967.
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So you'll probably remember Jock Harvey then ?
Also of course at that time Dunsfold had its' own little museum, TomTit, Hind, Last of the Many Hurricane etc, which were available to see on Field Days.
My father, a fitter then chargehand on Hunters then Hawks & Harriers - ending as trials chargehand on Harrier II's - remembers plenty of trips in the Rapide.
I somehow doubt the property developers who currently own Dunsfold, ( how much longer now their planning has been rejected ? ) whose leader did avow to ' have an example of every aircraft flown from there ' would get anywhere near that, even if he was sincere and the financial downturn hadn't happened - on the bright side, it's people like him scuppered !
I hope G-ASMG keeps in her element for a long time yet - I suppose eventually a museum beckons, unless a great deal of work is carried out.
All the best, DZ
Also of course at that time Dunsfold had its' own little museum, TomTit, Hind, Last of the Many Hurricane etc, which were available to see on Field Days.
My father, a fitter then chargehand on Hunters then Hawks & Harriers - ending as trials chargehand on Harrier II's - remembers plenty of trips in the Rapide.
I somehow doubt the property developers who currently own Dunsfold, ( how much longer now their planning has been rejected ? ) whose leader did avow to ' have an example of every aircraft flown from there ' would get anywhere near that, even if he was sincere and the financial downturn hadn't happened - on the bright side, it's people like him scuppered !
I hope G-ASMG keeps in her element for a long time yet - I suppose eventually a museum beckons, unless a great deal of work is carried out.
All the best, DZ
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The name does not ring a bell at all. Which pilot or pilots usually flew the Dove?
I came from Kingston, did a couple of "stints" at Dunsfold in 1967.
Ciarain.
I came from Kingston, did a couple of "stints" at Dunsfold in 1967.
Ciarain.