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What Cockpit? MK V

Old 5th Jul 2007, 22:59
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4 Engined American aircraft that has been restored to airworthy condition and has Lockheed style seats.
US Primer is dark green whereas European primer is very light insipid green. Probably ex-military based upon overhead skylights and rugged robust appearance, and likely to be another addition to my "Never seen that one before" list.

Second thoughts, could be twin engined piston
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Old 5th Jul 2007, 23:05
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It is U.S. built, and the cockpit photo is of the last flying example.
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Old 5th Jul 2007, 23:30
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I can`t believe how difficult it is at times to work out how many engines these challenge aircraft have... This looks like a twin but having been so utterly wrong on so many occasions before my submission is ....

Consolidated PB4Y Privateer
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Old 5th Jul 2007, 23:31
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PB4Y Privateer?
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Old 5th Jul 2007, 23:44
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Is it a Fairchild C82 Flying Packet?
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Old 5th Jul 2007, 23:49
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Oncemorealoft has it it is the Fairchild C-82A Packet N9701F I believe.
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Old 5th Jul 2007, 23:57
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Apologies but I don't have access to a picture. Anyone please feel free to post.
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Old 6th Jul 2007, 00:39
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The sometimes three-engined Fairchild C-82 Packet was the precursor to the more successful C-119/R4Q Flying Boxcar. It first flew in 1944, and its aft situated clam-shell cargo doors were a boon to military and civilian operators alike. This example was seen in Brussels towards the end of her career in 1968.
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Old 6th Jul 2007, 07:22
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On behalf of oncemorealoft
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Old 6th Jul 2007, 11:43
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Is/was this a production aircraft...US made perhaps? There's PA38 and Beechcraft Skipper in there... but this looks like it has a sliding canopy rather than doors... which was a Grumman thing.

Fishing for clues really...
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Old 6th Jul 2007, 13:33
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A better clue perhaps:

this is a US Aircraft. There are a dozen still flying in the USA and a single example in europe. Until a few days ago, I had never heard of its existance, so it is a rare bird.

Not a PA38, Beechcraft Skipper or Grumman.
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Old 6th Jul 2007, 17:13
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Is it a Breezer?
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Not the Breezer, this one dates from the immediate post WWII years. It does not have a sliding canopy.
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Old 6th Jul 2007, 18:40
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Back to the drawing board then.

It looks more seventies than forties. this one must have been modernised or customised judging by the look of the coaming and panelling around the trimmer??
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Old 6th Jul 2007, 19:16
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The designer may just have been ahead of his time. I have researched the aircraft a little now, and it is based upon an earlier design dating back to 1937. Arguably (Sp?) this machine led to a succesfull family of monoplanes, many of which can still be seen all around the world. That this particular design was not more popular is as a result of postwar recession and no other reason. I am not back online until tomorrow am, but hopefully you now have somethingto get your teeth into. There are no examples of this on airliners.net which I know many here frequent.
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Old 6th Jul 2007, 20:53
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An Emigh A-2 Trojan?
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Old 6th Jul 2007, 21:42
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I will go for the Culver V based on the 1937 Culver Cadet.
The Culver Cadet was the brainstorm of Al Mooney.Walter Beech was the Culver plant manager during it's inception,this explains why the Culver Cadet was one of the fastest airplanes in its catagory, the two-place Cadet was a favorite among sportsman pilots who demand extra speed and performance.
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Old 6th Jul 2007, 23:54
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Looks like it is flown from the right hand seat ?
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Old 7th Jul 2007, 02:21
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Mel has it:
Culver V or Mooney 17, and the European one is for sale on Ebay. Very unusual. They were considered by the USAF & USN as Drone aircraft. Two seat retractable undercarriage low wing monoplane.

The nearest aircraft would suggest that it was flown from the LH seat.

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Next Challenge

Thanks Tiger_mate. That was a very interesting challenge and took some digging. The aircraft itself was fascinating, it must have been an odd method of gaining entry via a forward hinging windscreen, certainly not good for the recent weather we have been experiencing here in Notts and Yorhshire.
Next challenge, not as challenging as yours I am sure.
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