Mark Hanna
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I agree Alty Meter
I twice flew with Mark in formation and all I had do was to tell him was what we were going to do - that was all. He was just like his father - superb.
I am aware that one CAA bod 'had a word' with Mark' but it turned in his face when he made himself look silly. The problem is that when you have the cheek to do it, it sticks with you forever! No doubt it is better to say nothing in my view.
I twice flew with Mark in formation and all I had do was to tell him was what we were going to do - that was all. He was just like his father - superb.
I am aware that one CAA bod 'had a word' with Mark' but it turned in his face when he made himself look silly. The problem is that when you have the cheek to do it, it sticks with you forever! No doubt it is better to say nothing in my view.
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You are a twerp G-KEST.
A thread about one of the best display pilots we've had in this country and you try to get some kudos for yourself by telling us you gave him the odd rocket when you were revelling in your 15 minutes of power. It was never going to work when there are pilots here who've been around displays long enough to know who you are and long enough to remember Mark Hanna's exceptional natural talent.
Maybe you were entitled to talk to him if he broke some CAA deskpilot rule but it should be confidential. You'd have more respect if you said you turned a blind eye or at most spoke to him with respect for his ability instead of boasting you gave him a rcoket.
A thread about one of the best display pilots we've had in this country and you try to get some kudos for yourself by telling us you gave him the odd rocket when you were revelling in your 15 minutes of power. It was never going to work when there are pilots here who've been around displays long enough to know who you are and long enough to remember Mark Hanna's exceptional natural talent.
Maybe you were entitled to talk to him if he broke some CAA deskpilot rule but it should be confidential. You'd have more respect if you said you turned a blind eye or at most spoke to him with respect for his ability instead of boasting you gave him a rcoket.
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I glanced at this thread since it had recent posts and it was one that interested me having known Mark and all the family as friends for decades. I re-read my own post and would not have altered any part of it. The regulatory situation in the UK as set out in the ANO and CAP403 is admired by every country I have flown in and was the basis for the JAR-22 leaflet giving guidance to the JAA countries on airshow regulation. The CAA does inspect a proportion of displays in the UK each year and standards are generally high however if transgressions occur then looking the other way is not an acceptable option though some might think so.
And yes, in my 46 years as an airshow pilot and over 2,300 public display slots I have screwed up from time to time and I have had my fair share of bollockings. All, or very nearly all, richly deserved.
In my 14 years with the CAA the previous experience I had in GA and particularly in the airshow world proved invaluable. After all, they headhunted me into the CAA to be an effective gamekeeper having been a fair poacher for 30 years before that.
Cheers,
Trapper 69
And yes, in my 46 years as an airshow pilot and over 2,300 public display slots I have screwed up from time to time and I have had my fair share of bollockings. All, or very nearly all, richly deserved.
In my 14 years with the CAA the previous experience I had in GA and particularly in the airshow world proved invaluable. After all, they headhunted me into the CAA to be an effective gamekeeper having been a fair poacher for 30 years before that.
Cheers,
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G-KEST
Look at it this way.
Flying Lawyer started this thread in memory of Mark. At best it was inappropriate that you should even mention that you gave him a 'rocket.' At worst it was offensive to his memory. Why do it? Had you NOT done so you would not now have comments about how you are remembered.
Look at it this way.
Flying Lawyer started this thread in memory of Mark. At best it was inappropriate that you should even mention that you gave him a 'rocket.' At worst it was offensive to his memory. Why do it? Had you NOT done so you would not now have comments about how you are remembered.
Chaps,
I don't think Mark would have taken part in this spat with the ex-CAA person, so perhaps it'd be better to drop this particular theme on this thread. Perhaps it may be more appropriate on another thread?
OK?
I don't think Mark would have taken part in this spat with the ex-CAA person, so perhaps it'd be better to drop this particular theme on this thread. Perhaps it may be more appropriate on another thread?
OK?
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I think you are probably right BEagle. I also think all that perhaps needed to be said has been said. So I will leave the thread open so that anyone who may want to add a few words about Mark can still do so.
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I started the thread in memory of Mark and it's a great pity the comment appeared, but sufficient responses have now been made to it and I agree that aspect is better now dropped.
G-KEST
I'll leave until another thread my response to your claim (frequently made, but almost always by CAA personnel) that the regulatory situation in the UK as set out in the ANO is admired throughout the world.
G-KEST
I'll leave until another thread my response to your claim (frequently made, but almost always by CAA personnel) that the regulatory situation in the UK as set out in the ANO is admired throughout the world.
Awesome but Affordable
It should be an interesting debate though I cannot match the proven rhetoric of Flying Lawyer whose brilliant style as a barrister few can attempt to challenge; especially in matters aeronautical.
At the present time General Aviation and Historic Aviation is threatened by rather more important matters in the shape of the Single European Sky charging scheme, the proposed requirements for ANSP's within the EU, the arrangements for certification and maintenance of aircraft through EASA, the involvement of EASA in operational and licensing matters and the imposition of mandatory insurance requirements on all EU aircraft from next spring.
My spare time, and in the opinion of she who must be obeyed all of my time, is presently spent trying to tackle these matters that threaten all of us whose passion is private, sporting and recreational aviation in all its facets.
Cheers,
Trapper 69
At the present time General Aviation and Historic Aviation is threatened by rather more important matters in the shape of the Single European Sky charging scheme, the proposed requirements for ANSP's within the EU, the arrangements for certification and maintenance of aircraft through EASA, the involvement of EASA in operational and licensing matters and the imposition of mandatory insurance requirements on all EU aircraft from next spring.
My spare time, and in the opinion of she who must be obeyed all of my time, is presently spent trying to tackle these matters that threaten all of us whose passion is private, sporting and recreational aviation in all its facets.
Cheers,
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For heaven's sake, this thread is about Mark Hanna and what he actually achieved in his too short life, not you and your over-inflated ideas of your own importance. Mark would have been entitled to boast about things he did, but he wasn't that sort of guy. Maybe that's one of the reasons he was popular as well as respected. You might want to think about that and then count the number of "I's, my's and me's" in your posts on a thread that's meant to be a tribute to somebody else.
People would have forgiven Mark if he'd boasted because he was a superb pilot and did some special things. You've done lots of Tiger Moth displays. So what. Nobody's interested in reading your pretty unspectacular CV. You're making a fool of yourself trying to make out you're something you're not.
You even try to make out you're a friend of the Hanna's and I know that's not true. Knowing people for a long time and being a friend are different things.
For heaven's sake, this thread is about Mark Hanna and what he actually achieved in his too short life, not you and your over-inflated ideas of your own importance. Mark would have been entitled to boast about things he did, but he wasn't that sort of guy. Maybe that's one of the reasons he was popular as well as respected. You might want to think about that and then count the number of "I's, my's and me's" in your posts on a thread that's meant to be a tribute to somebody else.
People would have forgiven Mark if he'd boasted because he was a superb pilot and did some special things. You've done lots of Tiger Moth displays. So what. Nobody's interested in reading your pretty unspectacular CV. You're making a fool of yourself trying to make out you're something you're not.
You even try to make out you're a friend of the Hanna's and I know that's not true. Knowing people for a long time and being a friend are different things.
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I am closing this thread after all. It is a great pity that it has become irksome. However, in spite of this and an attempt to inject uneccessary comment, the fact remains that Mark was, and will remain, a star who shone brightly in the field of top echelon display flying. A very very few can make the same claim. God bless Mark.
