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You got me worried there for a minute JDK!
I agree that the Menasco-engined STA is a work of art, as rare as rocking horse poo and yes, I want one (theres a surprise...).
With plenty of PT22's out there (I have a rebuildable crashed one for example) I wonder if there is a significant commonality of parts? They do look similar.
I think we might see my 22 displayed at OW on the 6th, however that decision isn't mine of course. One thing is certain - it won't be me. Although I have soloed it I need to get some time on type. At least a 'proper' Shuttleworth pilot will present it far better than I can.
The good news is that the Shuttleworth engineers have given it the once over and have given me the thumbs up on a good machine.
Reading through the article earlier made me chuckle - 'The Ryan is for slim, fit young men'. I ain't any of those and had no problem in flying it! I have some good mates a lot lardier than me and they will be invited to fly it too.
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I agree that the Menasco-engined STA is a work of art, as rare as rocking horse poo and yes, I want one (theres a surprise...).
With plenty of PT22's out there (I have a rebuildable crashed one for example) I wonder if there is a significant commonality of parts? They do look similar.
I think we might see my 22 displayed at OW on the 6th, however that decision isn't mine of course. One thing is certain - it won't be me. Although I have soloed it I need to get some time on type. At least a 'proper' Shuttleworth pilot will present it far better than I can.
The good news is that the Shuttleworth engineers have given it the once over and have given me the thumbs up on a good machine.
Reading through the article earlier made me chuckle - 'The Ryan is for slim, fit young men'. I ain't any of those and had no problem in flying it! I have some good mates a lot lardier than me and they will be invited to fly it too.
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HP you can,t possibly be referring to me surely??.When I look in the mirror I still see slim (well )almost.Must say the armchair in the Falcon is very me though.Looking forward to another type though,really like that MS317 though!!.
HP I seem to remember from a back to back airtest (can't remember the comic) between the STA and the P-22 that, despite their basic similarity, there was no commonality of parts whatsoever.
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Hairy, Dave Unwin wrote an article in Pilot a few years ago in which he flew both the PT-22 and STA ... So far as I recall there is little commonaility. Will try and put my hands on my copy...
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regards commonality between the PT 22 and the STA.
To be honest, I am not positive, however I do have some info on conversions, I know of at least two aircraft in California that were converted from the Kinner to the Menasco years ago, and the gear changed to resemble the STA as well, but I believe the 22 may be an overall bigger aircraft. The span of the STA is 30 ft even, the length 21`5, the tail height 62 2/16th, and the gear track 66" as a comparison.
You are right, the STA is a small! aircraft in terms of the cockpit.
But it just looks soooo right sitting on the ground.
I have a set of outer wing panels, complete tail surfaces, fuel tank, and many small components from an STA, so it would be interesting to see just what is compatible. I also have the full drawing set.
regards commonality between the PT 22 and the STA.
To be honest, I am not positive, however I do have some info on conversions, I know of at least two aircraft in California that were converted from the Kinner to the Menasco years ago, and the gear changed to resemble the STA as well, but I believe the 22 may be an overall bigger aircraft. The span of the STA is 30 ft even, the length 21`5, the tail height 62 2/16th, and the gear track 66" as a comparison.
You are right, the STA is a small! aircraft in terms of the cockpit.
But it just looks soooo right sitting on the ground.
I have a set of outer wing panels, complete tail surfaces, fuel tank, and many small components from an STA, so it would be interesting to see just what is compatible. I also have the full drawing set.
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Hi Canadair!
Are you assembling bits with a view to building one? Are there any fuselages anywhere? What is the history of your wings? All very interesting stuff.
(The things people have in their sheds....! I bet you dont know of a set of Miles Magister wings anywhere?)
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Are you assembling bits with a view to building one? Are there any fuselages anywhere? What is the history of your wings? All very interesting stuff.
(The things people have in their sheds....! I bet you dont know of a set of Miles Magister wings anywhere?)
VBR
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The wings, and tail are from a Florida based aircraft, but between them do not constitute an identity, although I am still working on getting the details. I have various other STA parts, but had always intended to build the replica, as I would not use the Menasco engine, the Lom is much better and user friendly. The drawings are superb!
But the problem is the PFA, there is just no easy way to build this aircraft in the UK, since it would be the 1st as a replica and I am not sure I have the energy to go through the process the PFA requires
I shall continue to collect parts, and we shall see.
The fuselage is actually deceptively easy, in fact the entire aircraft is basically a homebuilt, there is one overly complex area, the trim system, and the gear is not simple to make, but overall it is a pretty easy aircraft. Theres no compound curves, however there is a fair bit of welding involved, and one fairly large steel fuse bulkhead, the rest being aluminium.
The wings, and tail are from a Florida based aircraft, but between them do not constitute an identity, although I am still working on getting the details. I have various other STA parts, but had always intended to build the replica, as I would not use the Menasco engine, the Lom is much better and user friendly. The drawings are superb!
But the problem is the PFA, there is just no easy way to build this aircraft in the UK, since it would be the 1st as a replica and I am not sure I have the energy to go through the process the PFA requires
I shall continue to collect parts, and we shall see.
The fuselage is actually deceptively easy, in fact the entire aircraft is basically a homebuilt, there is one overly complex area, the trim system, and the gear is not simple to make, but overall it is a pretty easy aircraft. Theres no compound curves, however there is a fair bit of welding involved, and one fairly large steel fuse bulkhead, the rest being aluminium.
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The Pilot article was (dredging memory from 24 hours ago) August 1999 or August 2000 according to the test flight list I checked yesterday in a later issue. Haven't managed to put my hands on it yet, which dictates a visit to the bowels of my loft...
Dave Unwin posts on PPRuNe I think...
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Hi Hairy, I have indeed flown both a Ryan PT-22 and STA, courtesy of John Richards of Santa Paula, CA. John assured me that there is absolutely no commonality between the two types at all (except, of course, that they're both Ryans and fabulous!)
Can send you a photocopy of the article if you'd like it.
Cheers, Dave
Can send you a photocopy of the article if you'd like it.
Cheers, Dave
