The Mystery Aeroplane Quiz With No Pictures
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Dewoitines : which one ?
The Swiss : what are you saying here ?
The Swiss were neutral, meaning they fought against no one, but made business with everyone.
As I am in a reasonably good mood, I shall not talk about refugees here
\'nother one (\'cause its Friday afternoon) :
we had different versions of the same engine
The Swiss : what are you saying here ?
The Swiss were neutral, meaning they fought against no one, but made business with everyone.
As I am in a reasonably good mood, I shall not talk about refugees here
\'nother one (\'cause its Friday afternoon) :
we had different versions of the same engine
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Got me on which one...
Swiss Air Force operated Dewoitines (of the variant I'm thinking of!), but not in combat presumably!
Swiss Air Force operated Dewoitines (of the variant I'm thinking of!), but not in combat presumably!
Mmmm.
Well, the Dewoitine D520 served with the Germans, Italians, Bulgarians and Romanians post-1940.
But if it is that one, the engine confuses me for answering the second one - which other country's fighter aircraft was too late to be a success and ended up fighting for the 'wrong' side and had an H-S 12 engine (or variant thereof)?
The only thing I can think of is the Avia B.534, and I'm not sure that fits the criteria.
Well, the Dewoitine D520 served with the Germans, Italians, Bulgarians and Romanians post-1940.
But if it is that one, the engine confuses me for answering the second one - which other country's fighter aircraft was too late to be a success and ended up fighting for the 'wrong' side and had an H-S 12 engine (or variant thereof)?
The only thing I can think of is the Avia B.534, and I'm not sure that fits the criteria.
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Dewoitine D520 : you got it right !!(and you mentioned the right country)
Avia B.534 : not quite, but that is a very very very close one, and probably matches the criteria too.
The one I am thinking of did see combat only very episodically, but it did.
Shoudn't be long now.
Avia B.534 : not quite, but that is a very very very close one, and probably matches the criteria too.
The one I am thinking of did see combat only very episodically, but it did.
Shoudn't be long now.
Is it the Avia B35/B135, then?
The 135 Served with the Bulgarians (not quite the originally intended users), and, I've discovered, also with the HS 12 engine. Learn something new every day!
The 135 Served with the Bulgarians (not quite the originally intended users), and, I've discovered, also with the HS 12 engine. Learn something new every day!
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Eureka ! 
We were indeed the Dewoitine 520 and the Avia B135.
Both were good planes, which were on par with the Me109, but the production of the Dewoitine was not in gear before late 1939 and the Czechs never fought
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Just a minor correction, the Bulgarians were indeed the intended users, the Bulgarian delegation first came to Czechoslovakia when it still existed (february 1939). The prototype was presented to the "Salon de l'aéronautique" in Brussels later that year, but at that time Czechoslovakia had become part of the Reich, hence the German markings. Bulgaria had ordered 12 planes, plus another batch of 50, but only the initial 12 ones were built.
As they never got the 20 mm cannon fitted, they served essentially as trainers.
Here are some links :
Dewoitine 520
another one (text only)
Looks like there is still one D520 flying
Avia B135 (in czech but w. pics)
The Bulgarian Avias (w. pics)
This being said, please accept my apologies if I contributed to kill this thread.
Archimedes, you have the floor, it is now up to you to decide if the show must go on, or if we let this old thread just fade away.
We were indeed the Dewoitine 520 and the Avia B135.
Both were good planes, which were on par with the Me109, but the production of the Dewoitine was not in gear before late 1939 and the Czechs never fought
.Just a minor correction, the Bulgarians were indeed the intended users, the Bulgarian delegation first came to Czechoslovakia when it still existed (february 1939). The prototype was presented to the "Salon de l'aéronautique" in Brussels later that year, but at that time Czechoslovakia had become part of the Reich, hence the German markings. Bulgaria had ordered 12 planes, plus another batch of 50, but only the initial 12 ones were built.
As they never got the 20 mm cannon fitted, they served essentially as trainers.
Here are some links :
Dewoitine 520
another one (text only)
Looks like there is still one D520 flying
Avia B135 (in czech but w. pics)
The Bulgarian Avias (w. pics)
This being said, please accept my apologies if I contributed to kill this thread.
Archimedes, you have the floor, it is now up to you to decide if the show must go on, or if we let this old thread just fade away.
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touché !
but I am afraid you are mixing up esoteric and exotic.
Some of the British planes that passed throught this thread were quit esoteric for us continentals (I'm thinking of that ugly Supermarine WWI night fighter for instance)
touché !
but I am afraid you are mixing up esoteric and exotic.
Some of the British planes that passed throught this thread were quit esoteric for us continentals (I'm thinking of that ugly Supermarine WWI night fighter for instance)
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Sorry to report that the flying D-520 crashed a good many years ago now (circa 1990(?)) killing the pilot.
I was lucky enough to see it fly at La Ferte in 1988. There's been no plans to fly another, though the Musee de l'Air et l'Espace at Le Bourget has one on show and one in store, both good looking but (I think) missing some critical parts (I think they may have been 'robbed' to keep the flyer airworthy.)
One of W.W.II's great and overlooked fighters. The Vichy French used it, and then the Free French after 1944 (equivalent therefore to a Mk.1 Hurricane or Spitfire in service then if you will) and I think scored some kills with them. Any further light by someone better informed?
Cheers
James
I was lucky enough to see it fly at La Ferte in 1988. There's been no plans to fly another, though the Musee de l'Air et l'Espace at Le Bourget has one on show and one in store, both good looking but (I think) missing some critical parts (I think they may have been 'robbed' to keep the flyer airworthy.)
One of W.W.II's great and overlooked fighters. The Vichy French used it, and then the Free French after 1944 (equivalent therefore to a Mk.1 Hurricane or Spitfire in service then if you will) and I think scored some kills with them. Any further light by someone better informed?
Cheers
James
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I did some more searches.
The accident took place on july 16th, 1986 at Vannes-Meucon (in Britany). The pilot, Cdr Christian Bove was killed in the accident.
Some more pics (La Ferté Alais 1985)
A rather complete operational story is available on the second link of my previous post.
Cheers.
I did some more searches.
The accident took place on july 16th, 1986 at Vannes-Meucon (in Britany). The pilot, Cdr Christian Bove was killed in the accident.
Some more pics (La Ferté Alais 1985)
A rather complete operational story is available on the second link of my previous post.
Cheers.
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