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Changing the subject slightly........
What happened to the Tupolev Tu144 Concordski that was test flying in the USA recently ?
Do I remember correctly that it had been fitted out with American avionics etc ?
Ian H
What happened to the Tupolev Tu144 Concordski that was test flying in the USA recently ?
Do I remember correctly that it had been fitted out with American avionics etc ?
Ian H
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The Death of Concorde
Isn't it interesting reading all the posts that describe the death of a close relative or friend?
This was what Concorde meant to people - she was much more than a piece of technology. She had purpose and meaning. She had respect the world over. She had an aura about her which no other aircraft has ever had.
She really was alive. Now she's gone forever.
Amen.
This was what Concorde meant to people - she was much more than a piece of technology. She had purpose and meaning. She had respect the world over. She had an aura about her which no other aircraft has ever had.
She really was alive. Now she's gone forever.
Amen.
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Being unable to get to LHR or Bristol yesterday I watched the BBC main evening news at 10:00 pm to at least see this historic event second hand. Nothing. Zilch. Not a mention of the last flight.
What sort of priorities do the luvvies that run the BBC have???
SSD
What sort of priorities do the luvvies that run the BBC have???
SSD
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The flight engineer yesterday was Warren Hazelby (apologies to him if I have spelt his surname incorrectly).
He is a Bristolian, born at Southmead Hospital, which lies within a mile or so of Filton airfield.
Very apposite.
The flight engineer yesterday was Warren Hazelby (apologies to him if I have spelt his surname incorrectly).
He is a Bristolian, born at Southmead Hospital, which lies within a mile or so of Filton airfield.
Very apposite.
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Thankyou We Weasley Welshman,
You will be number 1 for the ILS next time! I would just like to point out that I was only a young lad when I watched the first Concorde flight in 1969.....sure didn't think I'd be the last but one controller to work it on I'ts very last flight way back then!
Only sorry he wouldn't take the hint about the low fly-by!
You will be number 1 for the ILS next time! I would just like to point out that I was only a young lad when I watched the first Concorde flight in 1969.....sure didn't think I'd be the last but one controller to work it on I'ts very last flight way back then!
Only sorry he wouldn't take the hint about the low fly-by!
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The flight engineer yesterday was Warren Hazelby (apologies to him if I have spelt his surname incorrectly).
What a nice Engineering Flight Manager he must have to allow him, as a Bristolian, to operate the last flight. Alas the pilots flight managers are not that way inclined.
I wonder who this manager is.
What a nice Engineering Flight Manager he must have to allow him, as a Bristolian, to operate the last flight. Alas the pilots flight managers are not that way inclined.
I wonder who this manager is.
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I have watched concorde fly in and out of Heathrow since before I can remember, and not once did I think that I might be the last ATCO to issue it with a landing clearance. I was proud to share that privileged moment with my children. It was an honour tinged with sadness.
What a beautiful bird.
What a beautiful bird.
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ITV2 News24 and Sky News gave good coverage. Showed Concorde for quite a while before final approach plus landing.
BBC could not really be bothered even on News24 as it was more important to show the state opening of parliament over and over and.....
Anyone else got photos to share then? For anyone else who is fick like me that excellent photo on the previous page is of the landing not the take off !! I had to go check! Doh!
BBC could not really be bothered even on News24 as it was more important to show the state opening of parliament over and over and.....
Anyone else got photos to share then? For anyone else who is fick like me that excellent photo on the previous page is of the landing not the take off !! I had to go check! Doh!
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Thanks Captain Airclues,
My post was rather tongue in cheak, it was obvious that porky would surround himself with his management cronies for the last flight.
Hopefully the return transport will be the duty Ford Transit that we all travelled in at times.
Woodpecker
My post was rather tongue in cheak, it was obvious that porky would surround himself with his management cronies for the last flight.
Hopefully the return transport will be the duty Ford Transit that we all travelled in at times.
Woodpecker
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A selection of piccies can be found in the aviation history & nostalgia forum.
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The Western Daily Press is offering a 33" x 22" colour poster (free with tokens from the paper) of the Concorde over Clifton Suspension bridge picture.
Also the Press gave a web site where a video of Wednesday's flight can be obtained - www.1st-take.com (1st Take Video, Yate, Nr Bristol).
Good Viewing
Also the Press gave a web site where a video of Wednesday's flight can be obtained - www.1st-take.com (1st Take Video, Yate, Nr Bristol).
Good Viewing
Another good item on satellite ch 956 tonight - including a continuous sequence taken from a helicopter showing the entire final approach and landing.
Last night they had that miserable, soulless Australian who attempts to run ba featured for a short while. Can anyone quite so bland and utterly uninspiring really have been responsible for the end of this national icon?
As I've said before, I have a feeling that if old mad Maggie was still in No 10, then Skippy would have had a grade 1 no tea, no biscuits handbagging and have been told to wise up and keep Concorde flying.
ba - just another anonymous airline with nothing special about them any more......
Last night they had that miserable, soulless Australian who attempts to run ba featured for a short while. Can anyone quite so bland and utterly uninspiring really have been responsible for the end of this national icon?
As I've said before, I have a feeling that if old mad Maggie was still in No 10, then Skippy would have had a grade 1 no tea, no biscuits handbagging and have been told to wise up and keep Concorde flying.
ba - just another anonymous airline with nothing special about them any more......
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Chilli Monster, were you on tower as well as approach, I have to admit that the exchange after touchdown brought a tear to my eye. Was it you who said "Welcome home"?
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Keep em flying
Why oh why is there so much red tape in this country when it comes to keeping our famous landmaks of aviation in flying condition. Stateside, there seems to be a wealth of old machines lovingly restored and maintained with the blessing and assistance of the FAA.
In the UK its a different story. Put it in a museum and lets wash our hands of it. When its made its last flight, dont look to us to get it back in the air. One less hassle as far as we are concerned.
Examples? Well you don't have to be a top spotter to name a few.
The Vulcan, the Comet and now the Concorde.
The Comet is perhaps one aircraft that deserves to be kept flying as (to remind the yanks) was the very first jet airliner unless you Canadians still think that Vaccuum Cleaner you had can be considered the first. Anyway the most widely known and famous aircraft to ever grace the skies is sat at Bruntingthorpe in ground taxi condition. If a few well meaning folks hadnt of spoken up at the time, the RAF would have just cut her up for scrap. But then stories abounded about how sponsors were going to get her back in the air and re-enact the very first LHR to Joburg in resplendent BOAC colours. The first jet service I do believe. But thanks to the CAA and Bae, No design authority then no fly.
Surely there must be a case for exceptions to the rules when it comes to aircraft of historic importance.
I know it costs money to keep these machines in the air but its not always money that keeps them on the ground.
So to Concorde. G-BOAF is back at Filton where she was built in the mighty Brabazon hangar. She is at home with her makers and all the local expertise that put G-BSST in the air back in 69.
If there was ever a case for keeping an aircraft in flying condition, then it couldnt be in a beter place .BA hinted that she would do a few airshows after her retirement but in all the coverage in the media about the final flights and history, there seems to be little mension of what happens next.
Yesterday she touched down fully serviceable and fully able to fly again. Dont let time tick by as each day she sits there is another notch in her permanent grounding.
The airframe has got years of life left and the crews are still current so lets get some pressure on Mr Blair and his merry men to do something about it.
The Rugby World Cup brought pride back to our nation so while we are in a patriotic mood, lets lobby the government to stick some cash into a worthwhile project and give something back to all the people involved in what is still arguably the most beautiful aircraft to ever grace thew skies.
Coop & patriotic bear
In the UK its a different story. Put it in a museum and lets wash our hands of it. When its made its last flight, dont look to us to get it back in the air. One less hassle as far as we are concerned.
Examples? Well you don't have to be a top spotter to name a few.
The Vulcan, the Comet and now the Concorde.
The Comet is perhaps one aircraft that deserves to be kept flying as (to remind the yanks) was the very first jet airliner unless you Canadians still think that Vaccuum Cleaner you had can be considered the first. Anyway the most widely known and famous aircraft to ever grace the skies is sat at Bruntingthorpe in ground taxi condition. If a few well meaning folks hadnt of spoken up at the time, the RAF would have just cut her up for scrap. But then stories abounded about how sponsors were going to get her back in the air and re-enact the very first LHR to Joburg in resplendent BOAC colours. The first jet service I do believe. But thanks to the CAA and Bae, No design authority then no fly.
Surely there must be a case for exceptions to the rules when it comes to aircraft of historic importance.
I know it costs money to keep these machines in the air but its not always money that keeps them on the ground.
So to Concorde. G-BOAF is back at Filton where she was built in the mighty Brabazon hangar. She is at home with her makers and all the local expertise that put G-BSST in the air back in 69.
If there was ever a case for keeping an aircraft in flying condition, then it couldnt be in a beter place .BA hinted that she would do a few airshows after her retirement but in all the coverage in the media about the final flights and history, there seems to be little mension of what happens next.
Yesterday she touched down fully serviceable and fully able to fly again. Dont let time tick by as each day she sits there is another notch in her permanent grounding.
The airframe has got years of life left and the crews are still current so lets get some pressure on Mr Blair and his merry men to do something about it.
The Rugby World Cup brought pride back to our nation so while we are in a patriotic mood, lets lobby the government to stick some cash into a worthwhile project and give something back to all the people involved in what is still arguably the most beautiful aircraft to ever grace thew skies.
Coop & patriotic bear
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I sent an e-mail to the USS. Intrepid Museum in New York, asking how they were going to look after 'A D now that it resides on a barge (!) on the Hudson River, getting attacked by the salt-laden atmosphere.
A person was kind enough to reply that they have a preservation plan using the combined efforts of engineers from B.A. and the Stevens Institute. In addition, they go on, they have tapped into the expertise of the Imperial War Museum's Restoration Facility at Duxford, where (quote) " they have preserved a Concorde for more than twenty years in an environment much more harsh than this one." unquote.
Really?
A person was kind enough to reply that they have a preservation plan using the combined efforts of engineers from B.A. and the Stevens Institute. In addition, they go on, they have tapped into the expertise of the Imperial War Museum's Restoration Facility at Duxford, where (quote) " they have preserved a Concorde for more than twenty years in an environment much more harsh than this one." unquote.
Really?
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So is this the end of the line for our long heritage in peerless aviation design? The innovation that the inhabitants of the British Isles has brought to aviation is extraordinary, but I fear that the sun has set on our prowess as a great engineering nation, although in truth it probably set 20 years ago.
No young kids want to do maths/physics/engineering degrees anymore because you have to work extremely hard and a degree in "Media Studies" is a doddle by comparison. The fact is that many students graduating today with degrees are totally unemployable (believe me I know), apprenticeships are long gone leaving few (if any) mechanisms for the older generation to pass on their skills, but most importantly, their enthusiasm.
I was left very depressed after an argument with a FE at Dallas last October who insisted that Boeing had invented the Jet Engine. He genuinely believed it and had never heard of Frank Whittle. I sure it won't be long before the equivalent U-471 distortion of history film comes along.
So what does it matter? I know that I sound like an old git (probably has to do with my age) but to me I really mourn the passing of this age. But don't misunderstand me; fantastic (and commercially oriented) innovation is going on all around me over here in East Anglia, it just isn't happening in aviation and general engineering any more. Maybe some day again it will.
I was thirteen when I first witnessed the awesome grace and lines of an airborne Spitfire, an experience that eventually propelled me into the skies. But Concorde has to be the most elegant and awe-inspiring aircraft ever seen in the earth's sky (no argument Coppervane).
Sleep well sweet lady.
R23
No young kids want to do maths/physics/engineering degrees anymore because you have to work extremely hard and a degree in "Media Studies" is a doddle by comparison. The fact is that many students graduating today with degrees are totally unemployable (believe me I know), apprenticeships are long gone leaving few (if any) mechanisms for the older generation to pass on their skills, but most importantly, their enthusiasm.
I was left very depressed after an argument with a FE at Dallas last October who insisted that Boeing had invented the Jet Engine. He genuinely believed it and had never heard of Frank Whittle. I sure it won't be long before the equivalent U-471 distortion of history film comes along.
So what does it matter? I know that I sound like an old git (probably has to do with my age) but to me I really mourn the passing of this age. But don't misunderstand me; fantastic (and commercially oriented) innovation is going on all around me over here in East Anglia, it just isn't happening in aviation and general engineering any more. Maybe some day again it will.
I was thirteen when I first witnessed the awesome grace and lines of an airborne Spitfire, an experience that eventually propelled me into the skies. But Concorde has to be the most elegant and awe-inspiring aircraft ever seen in the earth's sky (no argument Coppervane).
Sleep well sweet lady.
R23
Last edited by runway23; 29th Nov 2003 at 23:08.