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Originally Posted by Callsign Please
(Post 11925005)
I wonder why the Group hasn’t just made up it’s mind and put whatever rule in it wants like always with everything else.
A month of “consultation” like they want the fight? They want us to be arguing amongst ourselves even more than always, something bad in the results coming? It shows the safety argument is weak, as this is a HR process and has nothing to do with safety. If it was safety related, there would be no consultation. |
There’s an associated risk complying with the clean shaven policy - Restroom Falls
This will require completion of the mandatory workday course “Restroom Essentials - Safe Shaving” Please do not complete the workday course titled “Restroom Essentials - Safe Showering” as this topic will be introduced in Semester 2. |
Originally Posted by BinChook
(Post 11924983)
What constitute clean shaven?
Are they expecting Pilots to shave prior to work each day? If you’re caught with a 2mm stubble will you be sent home? |
Lol, there is no way having any amount of stubble has any sort of safety impact on the use of the oxygen mask... This is beyond stupid.
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Originally Posted by Callsign Please
(Post 11925005)
I wonder why the Group hasn’t just made up it’s mind and put whatever rule in it wants like always with everything else.
A month of “consultation” like they want the fight? They want us to be arguing amongst ourselves even more than always, something bad in the results coming? The airline is run exactly the same as it was during the Joyce era - authoritarian, cost spreadsheets, management KPIs and divide and conquer the minions. The only difference now is that they’re pretending it’s different. Clearly they’re going to ban beards group wide. The request for comment is just controlling optics. |
If only the pilots/unions were this concerned, outspoken and together when it comes to EBA negotiations.
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Originally Posted by BinChook
(Post 11924983)
Network and NJS Pilots however will actively push back on stupid rules and will purposely grow beards just to put their management teams in a position where they need to accept the facial hair or stand them down. Obviously they won’t stand them down as they don’t have the crew to sustain the business.
Given a significant number of NJS and Network pilots have applications for Mainline or JQ then they must have accepted that their beard’s days were numbered anyway. |
Can employers dictate their employee’s facial grooming?
Where the employer has imposed relevant policies and procedures in relation to the fitment and seal of personal/respiratory protective equipment, the short answer is, yes. Recently, the Fair Work Commission (FWC) upheld an employer’s decision to terminate an employee who failed to clean shave. This was due to the health risks posed by the airborne contaminants that the employee faced while discharging their duties. The risk to exposure cannot be eliminated. TasWater has in place risk control measures to manage and reduce the risk. These include the supply and use of appropriate respiratory protective equipment (RPE), which is a type of personal protective equipment (PPE). TasWater maintains a PPE procedure, which sets out its requirements for the selection, approval, use, inspection, maintenance and disposal of PPE. The procedure is readily accessible to employees on TasWater’s intranet and forms part of the training for all new employees and training regularly thereafter. TasWater says that the procedure has always contained a requirement that an employee be clean shaven when using RPE but accepts that this requirement was not strictly enforced. |
Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
(Post 11925303)
Can employers dictate their employee’s facial grooming?
https://chamberlains.com.au/clean-sh...get-you-fired/ https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/dec...2024fwc786.pdf |
If exceptions against a safety mandate are given - it’s not for safety. If exemptions aren’t given will they terminate pilots based on religious beliefs? That would be a difficult slope to navigate.
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Originally Posted by Lapon
(Post 11925372)
I believe on those cases it was the equipment manufacturer who stipulated the clean shaven requirement vs Qantas case of paying some tin pot consulting firm to provide an opinion on the matter.
If you really want a beard join the Navy or the Lakemba community. What other company rules do you want to debate? Drinking within hours? Not wearing the uniform in toto? Wearing facial tattoos? Not working on Saturdays because of your religion? |
If you really want a beard join the Navy or the Lakemba community. |
Originally Posted by brokenagain
(Post 11925415)
You do realise that the RAAF has moved into the 21st century and permits beards, including for pilots. Maybe you should let them know how dangerous it is?
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Originally Posted by Lapon
(Post 11925372)
I believe on those cases it was the equipment manufacturer who stipulated the clean shaven requirement vs Qantas case of paying some tin pot consulting firm to provide an opinion on the matter.
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Originally Posted by JamieMaree
(Post 11925409)
Do you want the job or not?
If you really want a beard join the Navy or the Lakemba community. What other company rules do you want to debate? Drinking within hours? Not wearing the uniform in toto? Wearing facial tattoos? Not working on Saturdays because of your religion? Company provide a set of guidelines and rules we have to follow if we want the payslip to have Qantas on it. At the end of the day, we all have a choice. |
I think you’ll find the thing our bearded friends are getting fired up about is that once again, Qantas are imposing a change in the rules and hiding behind safety as their rationale. As if Qantas doesn’t have enough problems requiring their immediate attention, they start this pointless fight with an already pissed off pilot group. Furthermore it seems the link guys and girls are always Qantas when it suits management and subsidiaries the rest of the time. If Qantas want them to be Qantas, make them Qantas…..
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Originally Posted by JamieMaree
(Post 11925409)
Do you want the job or not? What other company rules do you want to debate?
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Originally Posted by Callsign Please
(Post 11925656)
The company has quite literally asked for input on this topic, rather than imposing their will like on any other occasion. Given that chance, of course debate will ensue. Enjoy the ride
You’re delusional if you think they give one iota of a damn what the greater pilot cohort want. |
Originally Posted by JamieMaree
(Post 11925419)
Do you want the job or not?
I know you like to pretend to be an A380 Captain, but unfortunately just on flight sim in reality. |
Some lip balms are more of a safety threat than a beard . When assembling oxygen supply lines the use of grease is verboten .
They might want to put some thought into lip balms used for sunscreen at altitude for use with oxygen equipment . Beard grease and oils , beeswax, petroleum based mineral oils used on the facial beards might not be a smart choice while using oxygen . The use of moisturizer on deck might need limits . Although I have yet to read any accidents caused by an overly moisturized situation. Hands slipping off the greased up Yoke ? |
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