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Jetconnect NZ Salary
Is someone kind enough to give me some idea of the Jetconnect F/O terms and conditions.
Tried using my friend google but a lot of information is out of date. Thanks |
Originally Posted by exBng Pilot
(Post 11411928)
Is someone kind enough to give me some idea of the Jetconnect F/O terms and conditions.
Tried using my friend google but a lot of information is out of date. Thanks honestly mate from people who have worked there. Avoid this company. Only good thing here is the people you work with. this company previously bonded new hires with $80,000 for 2-3 years to stop you from leaving. be very careful |
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....db9b29f3a2.png
Straight from the NZALPA documents page. I don't work for Jitconnict but apparently they no longer use the Under Training payscale and you get paid First Officer rates from day 1. |
You'll be flying the exact same 737s that Qantas Mainline pilots fly from Australia. All VH-registered. But you'll get paid literally half of what the Aussie's get.
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Wikipedia:
On 17 May 2006, the union representing Australian Qantas pilots, the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA), lodged an application to the Australian industrial relations commission Fair Work Australia, seeking to alter its eligibility rules to enable the enrolment of Jetconnect pilots in the union. On 23 May 2007 the commission ruled against the union, declining to consider the question, considering it inappropriate for the AIPA to be able to enrol New Zealand–based Jetconnect pilots, as they were already eligible to be members of the New Zealand Air Line Pilots' Association. In December 2009 the AIPA took Jetconnect parent Qantas to Fair Work Australia, accusing the company of deliberately driving down wages and conditions, by undermining the spirit and intent of the Australian Fair Work Act. The AIPA accused Qantas of paying Jetconnect pilots 40 percent less than Qantas pilots, who six months earlier had been flying the majority of the airline's trans-Tasman services. Qantas was confident that it would win the case, stating: "These are New Zealand pilots operating New Zealand-originated services flying New Zealand-registered aircraft operated by a New Zealand entity". In May 2010 Fair Work Australia president Justice Geoffrey Giudice agreed to convene a full bench to hear the application, and in July 2010 the Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) was granted leave to intervene in the case after the ACTU argued that the outcome would have major ramifications for labour hire practice in Australia. The ACTU made its final submission regarding the case in March 2011, and in a majority decision handed down in September 2011 Fair Work Australia dismissed the AIPA's application. In June 2011 the ABC program Hungry Beast produced a parody television advertisement for Qantas, highlighting the use of Jetconnect for its trans-Tasman flights. |
Those NZALPA published salaries look reasonable for NZ , although the salary doesn't even compare to QF mainline and that's before you look too deeply into the other value added benefits.
The difference in T&Cs must creat a level of animosity between the two pilot groups, particularly when flying the exact same QF mainline B737s, but unfortunately your options are extremely limited if you want to live and work in NZ. |
This all is from word of mouth but what I have been told that JC will be losing a lot of pilots soon. About 1/3 of their 120 or so pilots looking elsewhere. Some left for Atlas and some leaving for Middle East soon. Struggling to recruit more numbers as some are not turning up and some are rejecting after being given start date. NEW FO under training pay is removed. Current pilots will be given $6k for referring a pilot to join JC, once they complete training. Some of the JC pilots were given a NO result from recent interviews of SO mainline position in order for them to stay in JC group and mainline will be interviewing about 8-10 JC pilots for SO mainline position soon.
You cannot bid for specific trips. You can only bid for RDO's. Day trips are mostly reserved for line training. Multi day trips including up to 4 day trips you will start early Day 1 and finish late close to midnight on Day 4. Last negotiation was straight rollover from previous contract except the salary figures from dctpub's post. No focus to improve any T&C in retaining current JC pilot group as of yet from JC management or QF. |
Thanks for the replies.
The salaries seem on the low side, especially taking into account current inflation levels. What's the progression like to command? |
Originally Posted by dctPub
(Post 11412071)
Straight from the NZALPA documents page.
I don't work for Jitconnict but apparently they no longer use the Under Training payscale and you get paid First Officer rates from day 1. From today (1st April 2023) the Adult Minimum Wage is $NZ21.70/hour. Assuming a 40 hour week, that's a bit over NZ45,000 p.a. |
Originally Posted by exBng Pilot
(Post 11412493)
Thanks for the replies.
The salaries seem on the low side, especially taking into account current inflation levels. What's the progression like to command? JetConnect used to have a “retention bonus” which was paid on your anniversary each year, but compared to the other operators, was less of a bonus and more of an equalizer… those published rates look like the same figures from 10 years ago just with the retention bonus added in. Unless they’ve still a got an annual retention on top of those figures? But 2% increases while inflation's been 7% for the last 2 years? It’s insulting. For comparison, a year 1 SO at Air NZ starts on $120k, an 8th year A320 FO is on $172k, factor in a better contract and they’re probably on par with a JC skipper. They used to charge for type ratings, but believe it might just be a 2 year bond now? So by all means, if you need 737 rating and a paycheque for 2 years go for it, but sticking around long enough for a Command and potentially getting stuck there (life happens, uprooting a family isn’t easy), couldn’t recommend it. |
Low side indeed, I’d say grim 😳
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The pay might be terrible but you get to wear a white hat and tell the chicks at the bar you are a qantas pilot.
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Most of the chicks will think you're selling ice cream and will go with the tradies who earn double that.
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Originally Posted by b787q300
(Post 11412478)
This all is from word of mouth but what I have been told that JC will be losing a lot of pilots soon. About 1/3 of their 120 or so pilots looking elsewhere. Some left for Atlas and some leaving for Middle East soon. Struggling to recruit more numbers as some are not turning up and some are rejecting after being given start date. NEW FO under training pay is removed. Current pilots will be given $6k for referring a pilot to join JC, once they complete training. Some of the JC pilots were given a NO result from recent interviews of SO mainline position in order for them to stay in JC group and mainline will be interviewing about 8-10 JC pilots for SO mainline position soon.
You cannot bid for specific trips. You can only bid for RDO's. Day trips are mostly reserved for line training. Multi day trips including up to 4 day trips you will start early Day 1 and finish late close to midnight on Day 4. Last negotiation was straight rollover from previous contract except the salary figures from dctpub's post. No focus to improve any T&C in retaining current JC pilot group as of yet from JC management or QF. |
Qantas is taking people from all over the Group. Jetstar is releasing 2 pilots per month, so it could be a long wait. In future Incan see the only way into Mainline will be via one of the Group entities.
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
(Post 11413218)
In future I can see the only way into Mainline will be via one of the Group entities.
The only reason Qantas take internals on is to dangle the carrot of “career progression” and keep people at lower paying subsidiaries for years longer than they should be. I personally know many people who are too critical in their operation to let go and thus they are stuck. the best way to get to mainline is to be outside of Qantas. I have a mate there who says that Jetconnect only releases 1 person for each intake (if female will be expedited, and don’t expect them to respect seniority either they allowed people who were there 6months to leave before people who were there for 6 years… DashTrash |
What he said. There will never be a “Group Only” employment stream for mainline. Doubles the costs essentially.
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For a good laugh search for ‘Hungry Beast Jetconnect Ad’.. it’s on U tube.. Johnny T is in it.. it was done about 12 years ago but still very relevant. Funny but true..
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Originally Posted by dctPub
(Post 11412071)
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....db9b29f3a2.png
Straight from the NZALPA documents page. I don't work for Jitconnict but apparently they no longer use the Under Training payscale and you get paid First Officer rates from day 1. That is utterly appalling. No-one should be signing up to work for them at all. Selling yourself and your colleagues out |
Originally Posted by The Love Doctor
(Post 11417999)
That is utterly appalling. No-one should be signing up to work for them at all. Selling yourself and your colleagues out
Easy to say if you have a job, in NZ though if you don't work for Air NZ Jet then your options are Jetstar NZ or Jetconnect, all the other operators pay less than the figures that disgust you. |
Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
(Post 11418198)
Easy to say if you have a job, in NZ though if you don't work for Air NZ Jet then your options are Jetstar NZ or Jetconnect, all the other operators pay less than the figures that disgust you.
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Originally Posted by On Guard
(Post 11418200)
living in a small paradise
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JetConnect Pilot - Can you transfer internally to JQ or Qantas?
Hey everyone. Could someone please help me hopefully you know. If you accept a position with JetConnect (NZ) are you eventually able to transfer to JQ or Qantas (AUS) internally? or would it be an external rehire?
Cheers |
[QUOTE=Parkender;11445863]Hey everyone. Could someone please help me hopefully you know. If you accept a position with JetConnect (NZ) are you eventually able to transfer to JQ or Qantas (AUS) internally? or would it be an external rehire?[QUOTE]
Varies from time to time, I know of people who were forced to resign and be rehired to change entities. A couple recently transferred from one to another and kept service benefits like staff travel but still had to enter the new entity at the bottom of the seniority. Technically it is a streamlined process to get into Qantas Mainline but the kicker is that once accepted you rely on your current employer releasing you and some wait 18-24 months for the start with no seniority until you start date whilst externals start straight away. My advice, don’t join expecting an easy transfer, if there is a particular entity you want to work for then try for that one. |
Originally Posted by soseg
(Post 11412225)
You'll be flying the exact same 737s that Qantas Mainline pilots fly from Australia. All VH-registered. But you'll get paid literally half of what the Aussie's get.
Nice. |
Originally Posted by nike
(Post 11446396)
Year 1 FO pay on a 737 in Oz is $210K?
Nice. https://www.fwc.gov.au/document-sear...hort%24%24haul And no, it's not $210K, it's $145K, AUD of course, and in a country with much cheaper cost of living. |
Originally Posted by AerocatS2A
(Post 11446415)
You don't need to ask, the Australian employment agreements are public information. Feel free to browse through the QF short haul contract.
https://www.fwc.gov.au/document-sear...hort%24%24haul And no, it's not $210K, it's $145K, AUD of course, and in a country with much cheaper cost of living. |
Originally Posted by cloudsurfng
(Post 11446462)
with standard hours flown (around 70), plus allowances a first year FO in mainline will gross around 200k
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Originally Posted by AerocatS2A
(Post 11446480)
Sure, there's always this and that to bring it up to whatever.
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Originally Posted by Lapon
(Post 11446544)
I have noticed over the years that for some reason QF mainline pay has to be quoted inclusive of allowances, salary, overtime etc etc (that someones mate once got etc) rather that just spitting out a bare bones basic min salary like everyone else does.
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Originally Posted by On Guard
(Post 11446547)
Particularly with qf SH it’s somewhat relevant as it’s significant. 250k achievable and 300+ if willing to have little life.
Pretty much every airline in this part of the world has some sort of allowance and over time structure, but comparing one's all in pay on a busy year to another companies bare bones basic is more than a tad misleading. There are people at my outfit earning a !!!!eload more than me as they are more inclined to lift a finger when given the opportunity, but we still talk in base salary with anything more considered a pleasant extra - not something Id (literally) bet the house on year to year. |
Originally Posted by Lapon
(Post 11446544)
I have noticed over the years that for some reason QF mainline pay has to be quoted inclusive of allowances, salary, overtime etc etc (that someones mate once got etc) rather that just spitting out a bare bones basic min salary like everyone else does.
if you want to compare apples with apples, is it not better to compare the remuneration received for the hours flown? |
Originally Posted by cloudsurfng
(Post 11446649)
that’s all well and good, but most basic salaries seem to be for around 70hrs a month yeah? Been on the 737 over 16 years. The only time I have been rostered to our mgh of 53 is during COVID.
if you want to compare apples with apples, is it not better to compare the remuneration received for the hours flown? I rarely fly more than 40hrs per month (despite an overtime threshold in the mid 60s), while others in the same rank on type will do nearly double if they want or have the opportunity. Heck I could count on a hand the number of times I've flown more than 70 hrs a month in a career measured in decades now. Unless your guaranteed more than 53 hours a month, It might be more appropriate to say ones base pay X but typically Y hours of overtime can be achieved... infact, reading the Air NZ thread that is how they present thiers, so too a certain operator QF recently failed to acquire. |
Originally Posted by Lapon
(Post 11446708)
Not really unless you choose how many hours you fly.
I rarely fly more than 40hrs per month (despite an overtime threshold in the mid 60s), while others in the same rank on type will do nearly double if they want or have the opportunity. Heck I could count on a hand the number of times I've flown more than 70 hrs a month in a career measured in decades now. Unless your guaranteed more than 53 hours a month, It might be more appropriate to say ones base pay X but typically Y hours of overtime can be achieved... infact, reading the Air NZ thread that is how they present thiers, so too a certain operator QF recently failed to acquire. |
Originally Posted by morno
(Post 11446718)
But a year full of 53hr rosters is not likely either
If someone wants to rely on overtime and allowances to make ends meet then kudos to them. Most people I know would welcome any extra as an additional payment, not treat it as a given and quote it as quasi base. |
MGH is 53hrs. However(Covid notwithstanding) the eba has a clause nominating 71:48hrs as optimum divisor. This is why your expectations can be reasonably based around this figure. It almost always lands near this figure. Leave is paid at your average hours and the performance bonus is also calculated on personal credit hours. Which this year will easily be another Months Pay (13th Month). Any flying you seagull above this is ‘overtime’ & conversely you May ‘give away’ to willing seagulls as much as you like.
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Might as well start including long service leave in the figures :}
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So, if you were guaranteed zero hours for zero pay, but generally get 70 hours per month, would you consider yourself unemployed with zero salary?
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You’ve just described “casual”. I certainly wouldn’t commit to a mortgage and other long term expenses that required me to work 70 hours a month if I was on a casual contract.
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Sure, and that’s absolutely fair enough. But does a casual person tell their mates they get paid nothing, when asked about how much money they can expect, if they were to choose that role? Of course they don’t. This little tangent has all the hallmarks of sour grapes, when discussing how big others pay packets are.
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