Yep, unfortunately the price we pay for living in a small paradise. Frustrating.

Lmao you've got to be kidding me.

JetConnect Pilot - Can you transfer internally to JQ or Qantas?
 

Hey everyone. Could someone please help me hopefully you know. If you accept a position with JetConnect (NZ) are you eventually able to transfer to JQ or Qantas (AUS) internally? or would it be an external rehire?

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[QUOTE=Parkender;11445863]Hey everyone. Could someone please help me hopefully you know. If you accept a position with JetConnect (NZ) are you eventually able to transfer to JQ or Qantas (AUS) internally? or would it be an external rehire?[QUOTE]


Varies from time to time, I know of people who were forced to resign and be rehired to change entities. A couple recently transferred from one to another and kept service benefits like staff travel but still had to enter the new entity at the bottom of the seniority. Technically it is a streamlined process to get into Qantas Mainline but the kicker is that once accepted you rely on your current employer releasing you and some wait 18-24 months for the start with no seniority until you start date whilst externals start straight away. My advice, don’t join expecting an easy transfer, if there is a particular entity you want to work for then try for that one.

Year 1 FO pay on a 737 in Oz is $210K?

Nice.

You don't need to ask, the Australian employment agreements are public information. Feel free to browse through the QF short haul contract.

https://www.fwc.gov.au/document-sear...hort%24%24haul

And no, it's not $210K, it's $145K, AUD of course, and in a country with much cheaper cost of living.

with standard hours flown (around 70), plus allowances a first year FO in mainline will gross around 200k

Sure, there's always this and that to bring it up to whatever.

I have noticed over the years that for some reason QF mainline pay has to be quoted inclusive of allowances, salary, overtime etc etc (that someones mate once got etc) rather that just spitting out a bare bones basic min salary like everyone else does.

Particularly with qf SH it’s somewhat relevant as it’s significant. 250k achievable and 300+ if willing to have little life.

The problem is that most people need to know what they can be at least guaranteed to make, not what they could potentially make in X Y Z scenarios - particularly where those extras are outside ones control anyway.

Pretty much every airline in this part of the world has some sort of allowance and over time structure, but comparing one's all in pay on a busy year to another companies bare bones basic is more than a tad misleading.

There are people at my outfit earning a !!!!eload more than me as they are more inclined to lift a finger when given the opportunity, but we still talk in base salary with anything more considered a pleasant extra - not something Id (literally) bet the house on year to year.

that’s all well and good, but most basic salaries seem to be for around 70hrs a month yeah? Been on the 737 over 16 years. The only time I have been rostered to our mgh of 53 is during COVID.

if you want to compare apples with apples, is it not better to compare the remuneration received for the hours flown?

Not really unless you choose how many hours you fly.
I rarely fly more than 40hrs per month (despite an overtime threshold in the mid 60s), while others in the same rank on type will do nearly double if they want or have the opportunity.
Heck I could count on a hand the number of times I've flown more than 70 hrs a month in a career measured in decades now.

Unless your guaranteed more than 53 hours a month, It might be more appropriate to say ones base pay X but typically Y hours of overtime can be achieved... infact, reading the Air NZ thread that is how they present thiers, so too a certain operator QF recently failed to acquire.

But a year full of 53hr rosters is not likely either

So.... whats guaranteed? If 53 hrs is guaranteed thats what I'd be planning my base/worst case scenario on.
If someone wants to rely on overtime and allowances to make ends meet then kudos to them. Most people I know would welcome any extra as an additional payment, not treat it as a given and quote it as quasi base.

MGH is 53hrs. However(Covid notwithstanding) the eba has a clause nominating 71:48hrs as optimum divisor. This is why your expectations can be reasonably based around this figure. It almost always lands near this figure. Leave is paid at your average hours and the performance bonus is also calculated on personal credit hours. Which this year will easily be another Months Pay (13th Month). Any flying you seagull above this is ‘overtime’ & conversely you May ‘give away’ to willing seagulls as much as you like.

Might as well start including long service leave in the figures :}

So, if you were guaranteed zero hours for zero pay, but generally get 70 hours per month, would you consider yourself unemployed with zero salary?

You’ve just described “casual”. I certainly wouldn’t commit to a mortgage and other long term expenses that required me to work 70 hours a month if I was on a casual contract.

Sure, and that’s absolutely fair enough. But does a casual person tell their mates they get paid nothing, when asked about how much money they can expect, if they were to choose that role? Of course they don’t. This little tangent has all the hallmarks of sour grapes, when discussing how big others pay packets are.