My experience as a TRI in the simulator with Indonesian and (to a lesser extent) Malaysian crews. One guy will fly it into the ground and the other guy will just sit there and not say or do anything to alter that outcome. And it doesn't matter who is driving, Captain or FO. I've seen it happen time and time again. It's totally mind boggling to see one guy crash a perfectly good aeroplane whilst his buddy is busy looking for the right page on a checklist, or otherwise doesn't give a toss about his own life or those of the passengers.

5000 or 6000 is nothing compared to what pilots have to put up with flying into and out of Melbourne. Makes every other city like a fun day out.

Judging by the flight path displayed on the Google map. Looks like the PF ripped into a smart climbing left turn blindly chasing the FD needles within seconds of rotation. Be hilarious if it wasn't so serious..

Or simply engaged autopilot, without thought, after rotation.
Smells of children of the magenta line to me.

repaint the radome as a red nose.

Mr D; my ribs are hurting from laughing, thanks.

Two "first world airlines" had fun with stuff like that. One lot decided to do an instant align at the holding point, for an aircraft with a TOGA Map updating function, which raised the eyebrows of the FO, the newbie but senior driver having just reached up above his head and cycled the IRS to do the quick align. At which time, ATC gave them an immediate TO clearance. The restrained FO started to say they couldn't accept the TO clearance, but the driver pursued the setting sun, and departed. At rotate, the driver was surprised to have no attitude, and no map. It was a nice day to float around VMC dumping 100T of dino sauce. The other guys got warnings on align, and reinserted the existing position without crosschecking. At liftoff, the map of course was set at the position of the manufacturers factory, some 7000nm away. 50T later the guys got to do it all again from the same place.

The compass/map check on entering or linei up saves some messing about.

Attention CASA.

Ban these bastards.

QZ8501 now we have JT610. Another 189 dead.

I have written once this year to you regarding this carrier and I will be writing again.

I don't want any carrier within this airline group within Australian Airspace.

Not only are they a risk to themselves, they are a risk to my crew and passengers operating within the same airspace as them.

Here here. I'm not one to knee jerk but the ban should cover its subsidiaries (Malindo) and be effective immediately. They are a joke and an embarrassment. Can anyone honestly say they are surprised?

LionAir JT 610 crashed 6 hours ago but you already "know" it's due to pilot error. Get a grip...

Two things: Many moons ago last century a charter pilot in Brisbane one evening entered ROME not ROMA in the GPS and started heading off in the wrong direction. When quired by ATC confirmed he was going to Roma...oops and he wasn't Indonesian. A Euro contact in Indonesia who owns an airline there, operating B737's, just sent me a message saying "the engine manufacturers will be checking their insurances!"...

Fixed it for you.
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This is from the DFAT smart traveller website. Perhaps CASA will read this and also take some action.

https://smartraveller.gov.au/Countri...indonesia.aspx

"Following the fatal crash of a Lion Air plane on 29 October 2018, Australian government officials and contractors have been instructed not to fly on Lion Air or their subsidiary airlines. This decision will be reviewed when the findings of the crash investigation are clear (see Local travel). The level of our advice has not changed. Exercise a high degree of caution in Indonesia overall, including Bali. Higher levels apply in Central Sulawesi and Papua provinces."

Do they have a 'Chairman's lounge' too? /sarc

Last August I was stuck trying to get to Bali having been booted off a flight using staff travel. Ended up going to MEL and jumped on a Malindo flight the next morning. On a 6:40 flight the seatbelt sign was on for perhaps 5:50 on a flight that was glass smooth the vast majority of the time. Having flown many years in Asia, I know this to be a sure sign (excuse the pun) of a poor commander. Basically, the mind set appears to be rather than make a decision (on/off) the default setting is to leave it on, therefore always be "covered". Whether this is due to a poor understanding of weather radar or simply an inability to stand by your own command experience I don't know. But, whatever the case, if a minor decision like that is beyond the abilites of the crew, God forbid if real, game changing decisions have to be made.

When we finally arrived in Bali (good weather, dry runway) the "landing" was so poor I honestly thought we were going to be another runway excursion statistic. Sideways, full braking, no braking, sideways the other way, full braking again, etc..... When the plane finally came to a smoking halt, my 5 year old daughter said "That was great fun daddy, just like a roller coaster". Never again.