FWIW Have recently heard that the 'wiring problem' is more along the lines of a major design fault than a simple problem...combined with RR stopping work on the Trent 900 and what are the chances this will not be the last set back for the Dugong?

As far as I am aware Airbus managed to sell more airframes than Boeing last year and that is it...Boeing, with the 777 and 787, have once again regained first spot because they build a better product...The view that Airbus aircraft are less than fantastic is a view too widely held by pilots and engineers world wide to be all put down to francophobia.

On the one hand I would say 'loss of face' issues within EADS (German and French Govt backing) will ensure A380 eventually 'succeeds'...but at what cost?

A340 has been long held in contempt, A350 has big problems, A380 has to be viewed as a major problem...and all while Boeing sets the world on fire with 777 and with 787, 748 in the wings riding on Boeing's well known reputation for delivering aeroplanes that are 'just a little better' than advertised I would suggest EADS is in extremely deep !!!!e.

Airbus pilot's Stockholm Syndrome symptoms not withstanding:ok:

Guess we had better ask the French pollies how much it cost to ensure the Mercure "succeeded". :}

Well, he was a truck driver...

The Dassault Mercure did succeed. It's called an A320. :O


K

I'd take a giveaway... Much analysis a few years back that Boeing were losing orders as they weren't prepared to match the discounts coming out of Toulouse; they'd tried it for a couple of years and were eroding shareholder value (less of an issue for government-sponsored enterprises).

There's also the political aspect. Boeing didn't sell diddly in the Middle East for a few years as Dubya started raining ordnance on the place and les Frogs railed against it (and I'm making no comment either way on that here); also notice that our friends to the north/east make a point of balancing their orders between the two.

Currency aspects have also been a fairly big factor; a few years ago, EADS were able to sell anything denominated in USD, pretty cheaply and still have good margins when translated back to EUR; now the boot's on the other foot and the company which took the reorganisational pain which had been forced upon it, is now in the better competitive position.

Airbus won't 'go under'; it won't be allowed to. And it's not in airlines' interests for it to do so. What they do need to do, is realise that maybe there are better managers on the planet than those spat out of les grandes ecoles and widen the search remit a bit. Or give Leahy a shot at the top spot.

I'm back
I was banned for 2 days to "cool off"????
Gee I guess the Moderator must be an Airbus driver? thin skinned perhaps?
I don't recall saying anything remotely bad, only that the 380 is a dog and i knew it would be late, Airbus make cheap planes and that I've been Flying for 20+ years and haven't wasted my time in Asia.
For that I get banned for 2 days???????????????????????
And the moderator allows a discussion on AFL football????????
go figure !!:{


Mr Moderator you can give me your apology anytime...............I'm waiting.............although not holding my breath.

ACMS,

I'm with you on 2 counts,

It is a "White Elephant", nuf said

and

the post re the AFL! I remember recently a grumble/directive from the top that all items in D & G Reprting points were to be of relevent aviation news:confused: :confused:

Anyway, thats my waste of bandwidth for this evening,

Con:ok:

OK - I'll light a fuse and walk out, I'll come back later if not banned and see how the pot was stirred.

Nah better not...........















(mumbling something about centre wing tank explosions):E :}

white elephant overtime king
 

so the a380 is late again no big deal.eads will survive and all those lames layed off will be begged to return .history will repeat itself,that you can be sure off ,:\ like flaired pants and big collars the lames will grow fat on the ot once this aircraft enters service even if you are working in and mro in china

Whether or not Boeing produces better performing airframes than Airbus is pretty much irrelevant.

Airbus sells them cheap. And cheap is what airline bean-counters and CEOs of today want. They couldn't tell a rivet from a screw from a nail. They don't look much further into the future than next year's profit projection and their productivity bonus. On that basis alone, coupled with propping up from European governments (though seriously guys, the US is not exactly a beacon of light shining against industry protectionism) Airbus will probably be around for a while.

Are you suggesting I lied about being "banned" for 2 days?
You'd better ask our moderator.
Nice to feel the trust in here.:ouch:

Oh No! not at all ACMS!!, not at all, there is much discussion re the banning of some and not of others, some topics ok some not whatever, I've no doubt you were banned ,

(just going to ask about centre wing tank explosions or I suppose the apparent lack thereof on Airbus A/C, but you know all too often topics nose dive into the A vs B slinging matches and it was irresponsible of me to even make the comment)

Oh come on Fliegenmong.... let's go!

Maybe just a round or 2. :)

I'd still put my old Bentley up against your fresh new Hyundai any day. :E

Even a Porsche will overheat sometimes and a Jag needs a trailer of spares hitched to the towbar to keep it going, but they are all timeless, tried and true.

Once my daughters Hyundai has its ashtray full it'll be time to replace it.

I'll grant Chemical Ali his dues. The overtime for LAMEs will always be a dead cert on the Hyundai of the sky.

Am I being too harsh? :}

Oh good lord no Clive, not too harsh. :) :D
He He - shouldn't have mentioned it. :} :{ :uhoh:

No worries "Flieg"

I should get back to the books. Up here they're into "Orals". And I don't mean the relaxing kind.

An oral exam on the Boeing is that much harder now that we must juggle the switching on and off of fuel tanks!

Touche, I hear you say! :O

Hoo roo.

Yes indeed Clive good luck mate, thanks for a pleasant afternoons worth of banter :ok: See ya 'round :)

no worries mate :ok:

Let me get this straight. So every Airbus is crap and every Airline that has bought one is stupid?:confused:

Yep, thats about the size of it!:ok:

Geez lads if ya gonna be totally offensive you've gotta include the guys that fly them in that classification as well haven't you?? LMAO :}

(Tongue planted firmly in cheek Mr. Hotdog):ok: