More A380 Problems
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This news overnight could eventually lead to the demise of Airbus, in my humble opinion. I have heard that the wiring problems are the easy things to fix. What about the cracking undercarriage and the over weight issues. 
Kinda glad I'm a boeing boy actually. I'd choose the old "Bentley" of the sky over the "Hyundai" of the sky anyday. Now I just have to work on my own over weight issues and I'll be in the industry longer than Airbus (damn that boeing belly syndrome!)
"Airbus parent EADS has pushed back its troubled A380 superjumbo by another year and issued a new profit warning, infuriating airlines such as Qantas and top buyer Emirates, which has put its purchases under review.
Qantas has ordered 12 A380s, with an option to buy 10 more.
But the world's largest jetliner is now running two years late, due mainly to difficulties installing wiring.
The new delays, coupled with a further 2.8 billion euros ($A4.8 billion) in profit shortfalls on top of 2 billion euros announced in June, have put a huge dent in Europe's efforts to triumph over Boeing and its ageing 747 jumbo.
It marks the first time that Airbus has acknowledged it will not be able to deliver the first $A403.9 million double-decker to launch customer Singapore Airlines this year, with the inaugural delivery now set for October 2007 - 10 months overdue.
In an unprecedented move for the Franco-German-led company, EADS has completely withdrawn its earnings guidance for 2006."
Kinda glad I'm a boeing boy actually. I'd choose the old "Bentley" of the sky over the "Hyundai" of the sky anyday. Now I just have to work on my own over weight issues and I'll be in the industry longer than Airbus (damn that boeing belly syndrome!)
"Airbus parent EADS has pushed back its troubled A380 superjumbo by another year and issued a new profit warning, infuriating airlines such as Qantas and top buyer Emirates, which has put its purchases under review.
Qantas has ordered 12 A380s, with an option to buy 10 more.
But the world's largest jetliner is now running two years late, due mainly to difficulties installing wiring.
The new delays, coupled with a further 2.8 billion euros ($A4.8 billion) in profit shortfalls on top of 2 billion euros announced in June, have put a huge dent in Europe's efforts to triumph over Boeing and its ageing 747 jumbo.
It marks the first time that Airbus has acknowledged it will not be able to deliver the first $A403.9 million double-decker to launch customer Singapore Airlines this year, with the inaugural delivery now set for October 2007 - 10 months overdue.
In an unprecedented move for the Franco-German-led company, EADS has completely withdrawn its earnings guidance for 2006."
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History is littered with the detritus of failed projects, the Princess Flying Boat, the Brabazon, TU154 - (ok some success there - but not in any meaningful commercial sense) - many others - I do hope it comes off for Airbus, it would be a very sad thing to see a project like this ultimatley fail. 
- (I am fond of both manufacturers so don't read anything into that!!)
I did at least witness (along with my Son) the first ever landing on Aust soil at Brisbane last November, and recorded it - that's a 'nioce' bit of History to look back on if anything else....
- something my Son can tell his kids etc etc
- (I am fond of both manufacturers so don't read anything into that!!)I did at least witness (along with my Son) the first ever landing on Aust soil at Brisbane last November, and recorded it - that's a 'nioce' bit of History to look back on if anything else....
- something my Son can tell his kids etc etc
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SYDNEY, 4 October 2006: The Chief Financial Officer of Qantas, Mr Peter Gregg, said
today Qantas understood from discussions with Airbus that it would not receive its first
A380 aircraft until August 2008, around two years late.
“We expect to have four aircraft by the end of 2008 and seven by mid-2009,” Mr Gregg
said, “which we understand maintains the original delivery schedule with the other two
launch airlines.”
Mr Gregg said Qantas was disappointed with the delay and had commenced a review of
its capacity needs in light of the revised timetable from Airbus.
He said Qantas was satisfied that the delay was due to production problems at Airbus and
not technical issues with the aircraft.
QANTAS STATEMENT ON A380 DELAY
Issued by Qantas Corporate Communication (Q3487)
Media Inquiries: Belinda de Rome - Telephone 02 9691 3762
today Qantas understood from discussions with Airbus that it would not receive its first
A380 aircraft until August 2008, around two years late.
“We expect to have four aircraft by the end of 2008 and seven by mid-2009,” Mr Gregg
said, “which we understand maintains the original delivery schedule with the other two
launch airlines.”
Mr Gregg said Qantas was disappointed with the delay and had commenced a review of
its capacity needs in light of the revised timetable from Airbus.
He said Qantas was satisfied that the delay was due to production problems at Airbus and
not technical issues with the aircraft.
QANTAS STATEMENT ON A380 DELAY
Issued by Qantas Corporate Communication (Q3487)
Media Inquiries: Belinda de Rome - Telephone 02 9691 3762
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Wow! What a surprise!
Assurances from major manufacturers are meaningless and always have been. I'm a bit surprised that Dixon, Gregg & the likes keep naively quoting Airbus's assurances as if they're gospel. Actually, on second thoughts, no I'm not.
Assurances from major manufacturers are meaningless and always have been. I'm a bit surprised that Dixon, Gregg & the likes keep naively quoting Airbus's assurances as if they're gospel. Actually, on second thoughts, no I'm not.
Nunc est bibendum
Boeing don't have to deliver the 787 on time. They just need to not let it run as late as the A380 and their credibility will still be better than that of Airbus! 
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The BIG LIE is so seductive to certain types.
" Qantas is satisfied that the delay was due to production problems at Airbus and not technical issues with the aircraft".
Believe that and you will believe anything. How does a person like this see his job?
" Qantas is satisfied that the delay was due to production problems at Airbus and not technical issues with the aircraft".
Believe that and you will believe anything. How does a person like this see his job?
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ain't boeing ain't going
so what a surprize the 380 has been delayed again, who wants bets on this won't be the last.but not to rite off airbus ,have also heard the 787 fuselage is cracking,something about glare and plastic.bring on the 747x i say trusty beast same seat per klm pay and range better built and a garranteed job for all.myself, personally always wanted to see the boeing sonic cruiser nice bit of kit out of a thunderbird movie 
Spotlight, what else would you expect anyone in his position to say?
'We've got no confidence in the bucket of ****, and it's probably going to fall in a heap?'
Great move for all the companies involved if he did that.
'We've got no confidence in the bucket of ****, and it's probably going to fall in a heap?'
Great move for all the companies involved if he did that.
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Isn't it the situation that 'technical issues' have caused the 'production problems'? 
It'll be fun to see how much the 'bus have to pay our friends in Dubai not to tin at least some of their orders and how that'll be hidden in EADS's accounts...
I expect some City analysts will be crawling all over this.
So 2010 when production 'ramps up'... and when is 748 production expected to 'ramp up'?
It'll be fun to see how much the 'bus have to pay our friends in Dubai not to tin at least some of their orders and how that'll be hidden in EADS's accounts...
I expect some City analysts will be crawling all over this.
So 2010 when production 'ramps up'... and when is 748 production expected to 'ramp up'?
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Anyone who reads my posts (fools!) knows that I have always thought the A380 was 20 years too late - however, do not forget that Boeing came very close to bankruptcy when they developed the B747 back in the 60's.
An engineering feat of this magnitude requires deep pockets - both in financial terms and patience. Another reason it is probably a white elephant is simply the way the airline industry is financially geared these days - and the types of people running them. Back in the 50's 60's and 70's, there were real aviation pioneers running airlines. Now, for better or for worse, there are shifty accountant types who don't have much in the way of an understanding or interest in aviation - simply making profits.
I hope it is a success - nobody who frequents these forums is going to benefit from it's failure.
An engineering feat of this magnitude requires deep pockets - both in financial terms and patience. Another reason it is probably a white elephant is simply the way the airline industry is financially geared these days - and the types of people running them. Back in the 50's 60's and 70's, there were real aviation pioneers running airlines. Now, for better or for worse, there are shifty accountant types who don't have much in the way of an understanding or interest in aviation - simply making profits.
I hope it is a success - nobody who frequents these forums is going to benefit from it's failure.
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Does all this mean that because the bright new shiny planes we expected to have are going to be a bit late, we are going to have to maintain the slightly older duller planes that we no longer expected to have, with people that we no longer have?
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Its OK Mobi, they will be maintained in India, in the hangar next door to the I.T Hangar
I am very much pro Boeing, and do believe that Airbus have missed the mark with "The White Elephant", however, can anyone old enough to remember tell me how late the Jumbo was with its initial deliveries.
I know there were a few issues with it too.
Just wondering what the time frame was. Months or years?
Cheers,
Con
P.s As mentioned earlier, it will be a great freighter!
I am very much pro Boeing, and do believe that Airbus have missed the mark with "The White Elephant", however, can anyone old enough to remember tell me how late the Jumbo was with its initial deliveries.
I know there were a few issues with it too.
Just wondering what the time frame was. Months or years?
Cheers,
Con
P.s As mentioned earlier, it will be a great freighter!
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Well with the Jumbo, QANTAS waited some time before it jumped in and did not get the initial (100 series)ones they hung back until the 200B's were released. I guess it is a bit like the way a series 2 car has all the bugs ironed out that were in the inital model.
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Boeing went to the very brink of bankruptcy with the 747 due to problems with the development of the JT9D engine, which delayed it about a year (around 30 production aircraft at one point sitting on the tarmac with nowhere to go). They had invested massive amounts of money in the new production plant. It wasn't just the original jumbo either. The 747-400 had fairly significant teething troubles when it came out too, being the conversion of an all-analogue aeroplane to a mostly-digital one.
I hope airbus gets up too. Aviation history is littered with accounts of 'revolutionary' new types running into big delays and initial problems. I'm still amazed that airlines don't automatically add 3-5 years onto the manufacturers proposed delivery date when they order them to get an accurate estimate of when they'll be reliably making revenue. Airline management have learned absolutely nothing in 75 years!
I hope airbus gets up too. Aviation history is littered with accounts of 'revolutionary' new types running into big delays and initial problems. I'm still amazed that airlines don't automatically add 3-5 years onto the manufacturers proposed delivery date when they order them to get an accurate estimate of when they'll be reliably making revenue. Airline management have learned absolutely nothing in 75 years!
