rmm mon ami

'tres interessant, I see that they are now gone :( pity, I meant to save them.

So much for transparency etc....I can't possibly imagine what the justification could have been.
At least a rational one anyway, in an industry that relies on the sharing of such information to support the safety agenda.

Clearly the potential for a much more serious outcome was significantly higher than we would hope and the crew did a very professional job.
It is a pity that others are not afforded the opportunity to add the scenario and resulting evidence to their suite of experience, should they experience a similar event.
The photos made me sit up and think very very hard.
These sort of events are just not supposed to happen in this way.

It will also be pointed out to a fairly high profile self proclaimed legend that PPRuNe isn't, after all, an irrelevancy.

They haven't worked out yet, that in this internet age, the harder they try to hide the facts the more visible they become.

Woomera,

Could not agree more, the sole purpose was to share info.
Besides the crew, there's no mention about the aircraft itself, from my point of view it's a testament to Boeing on how good they put together an aircraft and how much damage it can substain and stay aloft.

Regards,
Rmm

OK, maybe but you did make a provocative comment, lets stick to the subject please.

No offence to the anz crew were meant in this comment, it was solely posted in an attempt to defend the news reporting of the incident, of which the first two pages of this thread seemed to be dedicated to tearing to pieces. After that post it has become quite clear (to me) that there was every reason for the crew to instigate the procedures taken place, but those of you criticising the media have to wake up to the obvious press reaction this is going to make. It really is quite boring to hear some of you show disdain for journos who don't know the difference between accidents, crashes, incidents, emergencies, and local standby. All they are doing is using words Joe Public is going to understand - and those words are usually chosen with a sensationalist leaning so they can sell papers or get ratings. Why aren't you used to that? If you want inaccuracy, The Sydney Morning Herald ran a photo of a B747 to accompany the story! So once again, my personal apologies for any raw nerves that were hit. 375ml.

If they (reporters) don’t understand the industry they should stick to flower shows or something simplistic that they understand. A crash landing or emergency landing is vastly different, perhaps like saying someone was electrocuted when what they really meant was the person received an electric shock. There are plenty of knowledgeable reporters around so why publish something so outlandish and ignorant. The offending report rates a turkey:p

ok, so ojh was bangkok...my mistake...it was still an accident bb!!!

and RICHARD KRANIUM, if you are so sick of that comment why would you choose such a ridiculous nickname in the first place...and you wonder why you get the **** taken out of you all the time:rolleyes:

Having seen the photos,and heard on the grapevine that the turbine shafts had sheared, I find it difficult to believe that ANYBODY would contemplate returning the engine to service at all let alone in three to four weeks.

Also heard the pylon is twisted. Somebody tell 'em VH-RMF is parked out the front in Melbourne, fresh from a C Check.

AN LAME,

They've already made enquires about RMF and about spare pylons that AN have. Lets hope they charge top dollar.

Rmm

What happened to the photos??

has somebody had guano tipped on them and had them removed???

Sat "New Zealand Herald" 15/12/02

'We have had engine failure'
15.12.2002
By CATHY ARONSON

Dean Rawle pulled his window blind down to block the glare of the late-morning sun so he could see the inflight entertainment on his small business-class TV screen.

He had just watched a speed boat skim along the blue sea leaving a white stream behind it, and it reminded the nervous flyer that he was far from safe ground.

The Boeing 767-200 was beginning to level out after climbing to 3000m, the seat belt signs were off, the flight attendants were serving drinks and Rawle was ready to put his fears aside and enjoy the three-hour flight from Brisbane to Auckland - Air New Zealand Flight NZ132.

"Then all of a sudden there was this big bang and a thud. It felt like we'd actually hit something. The plane started to drop and that's when I thought we were on our way down into that nice blue sea."

He was almost too scared to look, but the woman in front of him began to point out the window saying, "The engine's falling apart".

He looked behind him and saw a strip missing from the engine and a dent in the wing.

"I thought, 'Oh Jesus, this is not good.' The woman next to me was asking what had happened, but I just couldn't tell her."

Steve Anderson thought they had crashed into a plane. His wife Margaret thought it was a bomb.

"The lights flickered, the plane started to go into a descent and that's when I realised it wasn't good."

From his window seat, he could see a bit of debris sticking in the wing.

He said the sound and force of impact was like a car accident.

Liza Darrow felt the bang vibrate through her feet as she stood to get something out of her overhead locker.

She fell back into her middle-aisle chair next to her husband Peter and their 2-year-old son Oliver.

Oliver looked at her with horror in his eyes and began to sob.

She tried to comfort him, but didn't know what to say. The pilot was obviously trying to control the plane and no one knew what had happened.

"Everyone was in shock. No one started screaming and crying or anything, but some people were sobbing. The girl in front of me was throwing up and one guy was clasping his chair for dear life. Everyone dealt with their anxiety in a different way."

Seven-year-old Jessica jumped in her seat and looked at her dad, former Kiwi league player Brent Todd, for an explanation.

His heart sank, but he tried to raise her spirits and told her, "We must have hit a bird".

Jessica looked at him quizzically. "I explained it must have been a big bird, it was okay, we were fine, everything would be fine."

But as he spoke the plane appeared to lose altitude - although Air New Zealand disputes this - and lurched to the left.

Tauranga Girls' College rowing team coach Jon Brady said he sat in stunned silence as the clear sky around the plane changed from a light blue to dark blue.

The 10 senior rowing girls with him remained composed and began to comfort other passengers and held their breath, waiting for the captain to tell them what had happened.

Rawle said he found the wait terrifying. "We didn't know what was happening. It was left up to our imagination and I'm sure everyone was thinking the same thing, 'We're custard'."

The cabin crew tried to reassure passengers while they put on their jackets and readied the emergency exits.

A couple of minutes later, as the plane levelled out, the captain made his first announcement.

"This is the captain, everything is under control. We have had engine failure and we are turning back to Brisbane and will be landing shortly."

The passengers began to calm down and turn their minds from dying wishes to wishing for a safe landing.

But the quick landing they were promised was drawn out for about 20 minutes as the plane circled around Brisbane airport while the pilots tested the wing's hydraulics and decided to land without using the leading edge flaps.

The closer the plane got to the ground, the better the passengers felt and as they came into land they realised the plane had made it.

The captain reassured them. "We are coming into land, 500 feet," but then he suddenly yelled, "Brace, brace, brace!"

"That's when everyone went off. People started yelling and screaming and everyone was panicking," said Rawle.

"As soon as he said brace, brace brace, that was the second point I thought my life was in danger. It was like, holy ####, what does this mean?"

The woman next to him ripped off his headphones to stop them strangling him and they both put their heads down.

The flight attendants began to yell, "Keep your heads down, keep your heads down, this is an emergency landing, keep your heads down."

Anderson said no one knew what to do. They were never told to prepare for an emergency landing.

"Most people hadn't read their safety cards and were jerking up and down in confusion going, 'Where do I put my hands, where do I put my head?'

Todd tried to cover his daughter, but couldn't reach her so threw off his seat belt and rolled on top of her bent-over body.

"I know I shouldn't have taken it off, but I just had to protect her. I didn't have time to think, all I could think about was Jessica."

Liza Darrow threw herself over her son, Oliver, and reached across to her husband and began to cry.

"We thought, 'This is it.' It's the closest feeling I've had that this is the end of my life.

"You were basically now confronted with the reality that this really is a dangerous situation."

The flight attendants continued to tell passengers to keep their heads down while the plane landed, travelling right to the end of the runway as the pilot relied on the wheel brakes to stop without being able to use the back-thrusters on the engine.

Anderson said the landing was fast and heavy, but "I've had worse landings in Wellington".

As fire engines raced to the plane to cool down the heated brakes and undercarriage, the passengers began to clap.

Later the pilots emerged to a second round of applause and walked through the plane talking to the passengers.

Passengers slowly began to compose themselves, went to the bathroom and rang friends and family on their cellphones while they waited 40 minutes to be released on to a bus.

Rawle text-messaged his wife. "All OK but lost engine. Back in Bris, emrgcy landing will call when off plane. Waiting for buses. Love you both. Wish I was with you both."

His wife, Jodie, was getting their 3-year-old daughter Tahlia ready to drive from Browns Bay to the airport.

She picked up the phone, read the message twice and began to cry.

"It didn't make sense. I started freaking out and Tahlia started crying, and I'm going, 'We can't go to the airport just yet, Daddy's plane is broken'."

Rawle was one of 56 passengers out of the 190 on board who got on an early flight the same day and was home by 9pm on Sunday.

"When I got there and saw my wife and Tahlia, that's when it hit me, that's when I knew I was so lucky to be with them."

He said he had recovered from the flight, but became anxious later in the week when he realised the turbine disc had broken out of the engine and could have hit the fuel tanks.

Most passengers said they would fly with Air New Zealand again if the problem proved to be an engine design fault, but would think twice if it was caused by poor maintenance.

What does the Airline/cabin staff, have to do to get the message through to the passengers.:rolleyes:

My Fourth Form teacher used to give us a whack over the back of the head if we weren't paying attention, maybe we'll have to start doing likewise.

I wonder how Todd would have felt as Jessica watched him breaking the necks of the pax sitting in front of him as he passed them on the way to his meeting with the forward bulkhead.???:mad:

it seems had more to fear from his fellow 189 passengers than anything Air Nz could dish up.

hey rmm, the link to your great pics of that engine isn't working any more could you fix it up.

cheers

No need to get sucked into their silly game.

anz 132
 

I was one of the 190 passengers onboard ANZ132.
First of all i must say that the crew did a very good job. I never got struck by panic, and i was only worried when the bang was heard and for about 30 seconds after.

The captain NEVER yelled "brace, brace, brace" over the PA. He said it in a nice calming voice. (the flight attendens did yell: "get down, grab your ankles" and all of that, but they
"we are now passing through 500 feet, so brace, brace, brace". Yes, we got a bit confused when we heard this, because we did not expect it. The plane was flying fine, and everybody thought it was going to be a "regular" landing.
I do belive that the crew did the right thing in not telling us that we had to brace before landing, untill we were at the height when we needed to hear it. I think if they did, some of the most startled pax would have freaked out even more.

All in all, I think they did a good job getting us down safely, and the took care everybody that needed it after.

I have no problems to fly with ANZ again. (acctually, i've already booked my ticket down to bris again in feb with ANZ).

Props to the crew!!!

Let's hope that the above article gains widespread circulation and that as a result the turkeys who travel and ignore the safety demonstration, might choose for a change to pay attention! :rolleyes:

...
 

Has anyone here heard of CRM ?

Ahhhh, your going to have to do better than that banana rocket. Please tell us how its done.:confused:

Captain Claret;

Just a mild enquiry: assuming you have done a fair bit of paxing in the past, can you honestly put your hand on your heart and say you listened to the safety demonstration every time? All of it? Even, say, the (imho) awful QF video? And if you (even once) ignored a safety demo, what would you expect someone to do who had little experience flying and was observing you?

Perhaps also just a little harsh to refer to your customers as turkeys. None of us would make a living without them...

Gone home ??
 

I saw this aircraft the other day taxying out from the International terminal at BNE, the rear part of the LH engine cowling (is that the thrust reverser cover?) was white rather than greyish. There wasn't an NZ flight listed at the time on the departures board, so I guess maybe it was on its way home.

Groaner
 

I stand with hand on heart and say to you that apart from 3 flights as a child, I have never ignored a safety demonstration.

For exactly the reason that you suggest, the example I set, I pay attention each and every time, on company dead head flights, or QF mainline.

As for turkeys, I'm not referring to all pax as turkeys, just those who don't pay attention and refresh their memory about the safety 'features'. I strongly suspect that these turkeys will be amongst the first to sue in the event of an accident when their lack of knowledge causes them more injury than perhaps they might otherwise have sustained.