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Capt_SNAFU 6th Apr 2024 23:35

QFA220 engine problem rumour
 
QF1287 on 04/07 was VH-X4A last flight. Rumours of an engine problem. Any info from the CBR refueller?

Just over a month on line.

aussieflyboy 7th Apr 2024 00:36

Probably a good thing as that’ll enable them to catch up on training their crew.

Paying only A$224K (US$146K) before tax a year for a training captain on a 71 Tonne Jet wouldn’t encourage many applications I’d imagine.

compressor stall 7th Apr 2024 01:23

No idea about QF but did see a reference re global engine shortages on 220s somewhere else on the planet.

dragon man 7th Apr 2024 01:36

https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/VHX4A

Where there is smoke there well may be fire in this case by the look of it.

dragon man 7th Apr 2024 02:01

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....95e8cad68.jpeg
Is that the aircraft?

gordonfvckingramsay 7th Apr 2024 02:56


Originally Posted by Capt_SNAFU (Post 11630530)
QF1287 on 04/07 was VH-X4A last flight. Rumours of an engine problem. Any info from the CBR refueller?

Just over a month on line.

Haven’t they been nursing these engines already?

MickG0105 7th Apr 2024 03:01


Originally Posted by Capt_SNAFU (Post 11630530)
...
Just over a month on line.

How do you figure that? -X4A was delivered late last year wasn't it?

dragon man 7th Apr 2024 03:29

https://australianaviation.com.au/20...n-in-canberra/


Looks like just over a month on line to me.

MickG0105 7th Apr 2024 04:04


Originally Posted by dragon man (Post 11630586)
https://australianaviation.com.au/20...n-in-canberra/


Looks like just over a month on line to me.

That might have been the first fare-paying flight but -X4A has been flying pretty much five days a week since the start of the year.

dragon man 7th Apr 2024 04:25


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11630595)
That might have been the first fare-paying flight but -X4A has been flying pretty much five days a week since the start of the year.


It may have however the thread starter said a month on line.

dragon man 7th Apr 2024 04:36

The information I have is the airframe and therefore engine has approx 300 hours on it. If it is an engine failure/removal that’s not very good from new.

gordonfvckingramsay 7th Apr 2024 04:46

If you google ‘A220 engine problems’, you’ll see a list of articles about the engine issues. 300 odd hours is not good enough though.

Going Nowhere 7th Apr 2024 06:17

I believe there have been several sectors cancelled over the last week due to Tech Crew Sickness

MickG0105 7th Apr 2024 06:53


Originally Posted by dragon man (Post 11630601)
It may have however the thread starter said a month on line.

We clearly have different understandings of what the phrase "on line" means. Engines and airframes tend to be unable to distinguish between revenue and non-revenue hours.

aussieflyboy 7th Apr 2024 06:58


Originally Posted by Going Nowhere (Post 11630642)
I believe there have been several sectors cancelled over the last week due to Tech Crew Sickness

Project Zero

Lead Balloon 7th Apr 2024 07:35


Originally Posted by dragon man (Post 11630567)

Amazing GT and the media aren’t on to this. You can clearly see a groundie pumping what I reckon is Tetrazine into the Turbo Encabulator. Typical 220 engine problem.

soseg 7th Apr 2024 07:57

Wouldn’t have happened if it was flown by SH.

dr dre 7th Apr 2024 08:06

X4A operated a MEL-CBR flight today, so whatever problem existed has been sorted.

The problems with the P&W GTF engines had to do with ones were manufactured from 2016-2020 before the “Block D” upgrade, which has solved most of the issues and presumably is incorporated into all
new build engines:

https://airinsight.com/pratt-whitney...th-gtf-in-may/

gordonfvckingramsay 7th Apr 2024 08:15


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11630690)
X4A operated a MEL-CBR flight today, so whatever problem existed has been sorted.

The problems with the P&W GTF engines had to do with ones were manufactured from 2016-2020 before the “Block D” upgrade, which has solved most of the issues and presumably is incorporated into all
new build engines:

https://airinsight.com/pratt-whitney...th-gtf-in-may/

Positioning for replacement, it won’t fly for a while now.

dr dre 7th Apr 2024 08:45


Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay (Post 11630695)
Positioning for replacement, it won’t fly for a while now.

Nope, check FR24, it just got airborne 5 minutes ago out of CBR on the return revenue service back to MEL.

gordonfvckingramsay 7th Apr 2024 09:14


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11630721)
Nope, check FR24, it just got airborne 5 minutes ago out of CBR on the return revenue service back to MEL.

Oh dear. That’s concerning following what I was told.

Going Nowhere 7th Apr 2024 10:10


Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay (Post 11630695)
Positioning for replacement, it won’t fly for a while now.

It’s actually been doing RPT sectors all afternoon.

bobbelmore 7th Apr 2024 10:16


Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay (Post 11630747)
Oh dear. That’s concerning following what I was told.


Doesn’t fit your agenda?

pinkpanther1 7th Apr 2024 10:56


Originally Posted by soseg (Post 11630683)
Wouldn’t have happened if it was flown by SH.

Please tell me you're kidding?

DirectAnywhere 7th Apr 2024 21:28

Shouldn’t this thread be in the GA section?

soseg 7th Apr 2024 21:42


Originally Posted by pinkpanther1 (Post 11630800)
Please tell me you're kidding?

Triggered boomer.

gordonfvckingramsay 7th Apr 2024 22:11


Originally Posted by bobbelmore (Post 11630779)
Doesn’t fit your agenda?

If you’re suggesting I’m bashing the operator, you’re well off the mark. My only ‘agenda’, if I must have one, would be to put it out there that P&W have unleashed a power plant that has given a bunch of airlines around the world a real headache. It makes you ponder how an engine that has to be nursed every day was ever certified. If this problem cropped up after several thousand hours of operation, it could be deemed unforeseen, but after 300-400??? Must have been a very special test program.

BravoSierraLima 7th Apr 2024 22:33

I have also heard X4A (nicknamed Broccoli Dreaming) needs an engine change due to metal in the oil. Other rumours I've heard is that it was delivered with a wiring fault that triggers the anti skid warning and that X4B was delivered with 7 open MELs and has minor tech faults most days it flies. Dispatch reliability within 15 mins of STD is 96% though. Flights being cancelled due to crew shortages is confirmed. The ability to recruit up to 10 A220 experienced pilots using permanent residency has resulted in ONE successful application, who was so unrecent on the A220 they are required to do a complete type rating again. Now they are trying to recruit experienced (doesn't have to be A220) training captains using those visas.

pinkpanther1 7th Apr 2024 23:15


Originally Posted by soseg (Post 11631101)
Triggered boomer.

Not even close, champ ;)

dr dre 7th Apr 2024 23:44


Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay (Post 11631113)

My only ‘agenda’, if I must have one, would be to put it out there that P&W have unleashed a power plant that has given a bunch of airlines around the world a real headache.

It makes you ponder how an engine that has to be nursed every day was ever certified. If this problem cropped up after several thousand hours of operation, it could be deemed unforeseen, but after 300-400??? Must have been a very special test program.

If you would've read the link I posted you would have seen that the P&W GTF issues were more the initial builds that are progressively being upgraded with more durable parts, better airflow cooling and EEC software updates. It'll take a few more years until all the existing engines worldwide are upgraded to the better standard, but the new build engines have the upgrade from the start. The GTF has better reliability than the V2500 at comparable stages in their lifespans

https://simpleflying.com/pratt-whitn...map-explained/

As it takes 2 months to do the upgrade then whatever happened to X4A the other day was not related.

brokenagain 7th Apr 2024 23:49


The ability to recruit up to 10 A220 experienced pilots using permanent residency has resulted in ONE successful application, who was so unrecent on the A220 they are required to do a complete type rating again. Now they are trying to recruit experienced (doesn't have to be A220) training captains using those visas.
And the smartest people in the room probably still refuse to accept that by global standards they have an extremely uncompetitive pilot contract.

Gas Chamber 7th Apr 2024 23:52


Originally Posted by BravoSierraLima (Post 11631122)
I have also heard X4A (nicknamed Broccoli Dreaming) needs an engine change due to metal in the oil. Other rumours I've heard is that it was delivered with a wiring fault that triggers the anti skid warning and that X4B was delivered with 7 open MELs and has minor tech faults most days it flies. Dispatch reliability within 15 mins of STD is 96% though. Flights being cancelled due to crew shortages is confirmed. The ability to recruit up to 10 A220 experienced pilots using permanent residency has resulted in ONE successful application, who was so unrecent on the A220 they are required to do a complete type rating again. Now they are trying to recruit experienced (doesn't have to be A220) training captains using those visas.

try paying more. Apparently management don’t think we have any pilot shortages, so why are we allowing foreigners to fly OUR aircraft?


snow dragon 8th Apr 2024 04:56


Originally Posted by BravoSierraLima (Post 11631122)
I have also heard X4A (nicknamed Broccoli Dreaming) needs an engine change due to metal in the oil. Other rumours I've heard is that it was delivered with a wiring fault that triggers the anti skid warning and that X4B was delivered with 7 open MELs and has minor tech faults most days it flies. Dispatch reliability within 15 mins of STD is 96% though. Flights being cancelled due to crew shortages is confirmed. The ability to recruit up to 10 A220 experienced pilots using permanent residency has resulted in ONE successful application, who was so unrecent on the A220 they are required to do a complete type rating again. Now they are trying to recruit experienced (doesn't have to be A220) training captains using those visas.

Well I’ve applied 6 months ago as a experienced Fo and so far it’s crickets from the HR dept.
Also a good friend applied for DEC and his experienced on type and crickets.
As an insight to pay year 2 Captains are on 237k usd and check airman are taking home 35k per month doing roughly 80 hrs per month where we work stateside.
With regards to engines if you don’t run them the correct way the bearings tend to seize.
Welcome to the joys of QF recruiting.
Side note we are both Australian citizens, no visa required

Transition Layer 8th Apr 2024 05:06


Originally Posted by snow dragon (Post 11631208)
Well I’ve applied 6 months ago as a experienced Fo and so far it’s crickets from the HR dept.
Also a good friend applied for DEC and his experienced on type and crickets.
As an insight to pay year 2 Captains are on 237k usd and check airman are taking home 35k per month doing roughly 80 hrs per month where we work stateside.
With regards to engines if you don’t run them the correct way the bearings tend to seize.
Welcome to the joys of QF recruiting.
Side note we are both Australian citizens, no visa required

So why are you applying to work for peanuts?

Icarus2001 8th Apr 2024 05:23


With regards to engines if you don’t run them the correct way the bearings tend to seize.
Do you have to move the thrust levers a particular way so that the FADEC understands? :ooh:​​​​​​​

aussieflyboy 8th Apr 2024 07:24


Originally Posted by snow dragon (Post 11631208)
Well I’ve applied 6 months ago as a experienced Fo and so far it’s crickets from the HR dept.
Also a good friend applied for DEC and his experienced on type and crickets.
As an insight to pay year 2 Captains are on 237k usd and check airman are taking home 35k per month doing roughly 80 hrs per month where we work stateside.
With regards to engines if you don’t run them the correct way the bearings tend to seize.
Welcome to the joys of QF recruiting.
Side note we are both Australian citizens, no visa required

This would give you an indication of how you will be treated if you were to be employed by them.

Bug Smasher Smasher 9th Apr 2024 01:59

Looks like X4A is now the CBR hangar queen.

unobtanium 10th Apr 2024 00:27

engine change on a brand newie how the heck did it get etop's aproval

pinkpanther1 10th Apr 2024 00:41


Originally Posted by unobtanium (Post 11632518)
engine change on a brand newie how the heck did it get etop's aproval

Virgin's latest Max, 8ID just got an engine change less than 2 weeks into service due to an oil leak.

S**t happens, but I agree - not ideal.

herostratus 10th Apr 2024 01:12


Originally Posted by unobtanium (Post 11632518)
engine change on a brand newie how the heck did it get etop's aproval

Confirmed they have ETOPS? Did they have to operate for 12 months before receiving the approval?


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