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Gne 7th Mar 2024 02:32

Western sydney digital tower
 
https://www.9news.com.au/national/we...?app=applenews

There are at least 5 factual errors in this report. Was this poor research by Ch 9 or something more sinister.

How can we have "absolute" safety?

Gne

Icarus2001 7th Mar 2024 02:36

I would like to hear all about contingency planning for power outages and data stream breakdowns.

10JQKA 7th Mar 2024 02:45

"There'll never be a situation where we'll effectively lose an aircraft," Lewis said.

But does she rule out effectively losing the airport I wonder ?

PiperCameron 7th Mar 2024 04:13


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11610447)
I would like to hear all about contingency planning for power outages and data stream breakdowns.

Power and data outages can be managed relatively easily these days.. SA maybe not so much - but hey, no-one is seriously planning to actually FLY in to this airport are they?!? It'd be safer to drive.

What bothers me is that there seems to be an extraordinarily high reliance in the design and planning of this here airy-port upon the advice of extremely highly-paid consultants with little to no experience in their respective tasks to hand. Maybe this is just another example? Only time will tell. :(

Deano969 7th Mar 2024 05:29

My question is why bother?
Build a data centre miles away or a tower
I can't see them saving on staff
Add in the expense of a bunch of cameras plus maintenance
You cant replace a set of eyes even with 1000 remote cameras

It's like they are doing this just to prove they can

Geoff Fairless 7th Mar 2024 05:34

I'm retired so I probably do not have access to the required separation standards; however,

Camera images are not visual separation as defined by any manuals I have access to, the usefulness of a control tower is (was) all about visual separation.
Radar separation between successive aircraft is 3NM, typically visual separation can accommodate close approaches, successive departures on diverging tracks, and go-arounds until a radar standard can be applied.
Eyeball separation has no tolerances applied to the image in the controller's brain. The eye is presumed to have an uninterrupted power supply, is backed up by the eyes of other tower controllers, has an advanced display system called the retina, and an advanced intelligence system attached that can instantly detect a subtle deviation from the cleared flightpath or taxiway. What tolerances will be applied to artificially generated images shown to a controller on a television screen? The new services will also be classed as screen-based, hence subject to the screen break requirements for the controllers = more controllers.

I love the identification capabilities of the camera system, but, once again, does the aircraft have to squawk ident to ensure the label is correct?
So many questions.......

PiperCameron 7th Mar 2024 05:35


Originally Posted by Deano969 (Post 11610486)
It's like they are doing this just to prove they can

Since money is no barrier on this project (oh those poor, ignorant, NSW taxpayers)... of course they are. :D

CaptCloudbuster 7th Mar 2024 08:54

What could go wrong?:rolleyes:

Ex FSO GRIFFO 7th Mar 2024 08:55

WOT CUD POSIBLY GO RONG...???

'Controllers' some 20km away - why not make it at the Gold Coast and really enjoy the after hours?

Carnt look out de windows no more.....OOOPPPSSS......!!!

nomess 7th Mar 2024 08:56

Hackers will love this.

DROPS 7th Mar 2024 10:31

I have complete confidence in the outcome.

The history of successful and timely projects is a testament to the concept and implementation.






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Johnny_56 7th Mar 2024 10:47

Wasn’t this trialled at Alice Springs? I assume if they could get it to work there (and I don’t know the results of the trial - I’m just assuming it did) they probably have a shot at getting it to work in Sydney.

Peter Fanelli 7th Mar 2024 12:49


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11610447)
I would like to hear all about contingency planning for power outages and data stream breakdowns.

Yes, especially given the entire facility is will be brand spanking new.

Peter Fanelli 7th Mar 2024 12:54


Originally Posted by nomess (Post 11610606)
Hackers will love this.

Die Hard 2

ER_BN 7th Mar 2024 13:34


Originally Posted by DROPS (Post 11610668)
I have complete confidence in the outcome.

The history of successful and timely projects is a testament to the concept and implementation.






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DROPS, love your work!!

INTAS for Eastern Sydney International TWR, 17 years and still waiting…
Ah well could not have been that important..

INTAS cost hmmm close to a billion…..see what you mean…

GOTTA LOVE THE SMARTEST MEN IN THE ROOM!

Why is it Airservices attracts so many managers afflicted by DUNNIG-KRUGER Syndrome

TECHNOLOGY SEARCHING FOR USE….

PiperCameron 7th Mar 2024 22:32


Originally Posted by DROPS (Post 11610668)
I have complete confidence in the outcome.

The history of successful and timely projects is a testament to the concept and implementation.​​

I presume you're referring to ASA? Well, they're just the tip of the iceberg on this here voyage. Take a squizz at https://westernsydney.com.au/opportu...warded-tenders and note how many others are running a little overdue. :rolleyes:

CaptCloudbuster 7th Mar 2024 23:30

But what about the promised high tech jobs for Western Sydney? :rolleyes:

Speaking at today’s Canterbury-Bankstown Business Chamber Business After 5 event, Mr Hickey announced the initiative and told around 500 guests that WSI has opened the door to exciting new possibilities in Western Sydney for everyone.

“The airport will redefine and reshape our region, pulling the centre of economic gravity toward the west, bringing with it not just more jobs, but higher-quality, higher paying jobs,” he said.

“People will no longer have to travel to the east to be a software engineer, a university lecturer or even a CEO. The transformation underway means these jobs are coming to Sydney’s West. “

WSI, Landing yesterdays jobs, tomorrow.

mig3 8th Mar 2024 00:03

Airservices Australia trialled a remote tower at Alice Springs (YBAS) over ten years ago.

How's that been going for them?

CaptCloudbuster 8th Mar 2024 00:08

Alice Springs seems like an appropriate fit to actually find a suitable workforce to operate the tower.

ASP & Crime.

Australia’s most dangerous city.

PiperCameron 8th Mar 2024 01:39


Originally Posted by CaptCloudbuster (Post 11611123)
Alice Springs seems like an appropriate fit to actually find a suitable workforce to operate the tower.

That seems to be the real reason behind the trial in the first place.. no-one wanted to work there back then.

I've heard it is occasionally un-staffed for a good chunk of the time now, putting additional load on ENR controllers working that sector from Melbourne.


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