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Senate vote against Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Committee inquiry
Tuesday, 6 February 2024
Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport References Committee That the following matters be referred to the Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport References Committee for inquiry and report by 8 October 2024: (a) The impact, regulation and mitigation of aircraft noise on residents and business in our communities, including the impacts of aircraft noise on amenity, physical and mental wellbeing and everyday life of affected communities; and (b) Australia's airspace management, operation and regulation to ensure the safety, efficiency and sustainability of the aviation industry, with particular reference to: (i) the adequacy and effectiveness of Australia's airspace management operation and regulation in meeting the needs of the aviators and communities, (ii) skills shortages, job vacancies and access to skills training in the aviation sector, (iii) aircraft noise management practices and their effectiveness in mitigating impacts on communities, (iv) factors contributing to on-time performance issues across Australian airspace, (v) the safety and reliability of airspace management across rural and regional Australia, and (vi) any other related matters". The Senate divided. AYES 29 Antic, A. - SA, Liberal Askew, W. - TAS, Liberal Babet, R. – VIC, United Australia Party Brockman, W. E. – WA, Liberal Bragg, A. J. – NSW, Liberal Canavan, M. J. – QLD, Nationals Cash, M. C. – WA, Liberal Chandler, C. – TAS, Liberal Colbeck, R. M. – TAS, Liberal Davey, P. M. – NSW, Nationals Fawcett, D. J. – SA, Liberals Hanson, P. L. – QLD, Pauline Hanson’s One Nation Henderson, S. M. - VIC, Liberal Hughes, H. A. – NSW, Liberal Hume, J. – VIC, Liberal Kovacic, M. – NSW, Liberal Liddle, K. J. – SA, Liberal McGrath, J. – QLD, Liberal National Party of Queensland McKenzie, B. – VIC, Nationals McLachlan, A. L. – SA, Liberal Nampijinpa Price, J. S. – NT, Country Liberal Party Rennick, G. - QLD, Liberal National Party of Queensland Reynolds, L. K. - WA, Liberal Roberts, M. I. - QLD, Pauline Hanson’s One Nation Ruston, A. – SA, Liberal Scarr, P. M. – QLD, Liberal Sharma, D. N. – NSW, Liberal Smith, D. A. – WA, Liberal Sullivan, M, A. – WA, Liberal Allman-Payne, P. J. – QLD, Greens Ayres, T. – NSW, ALP Brown, C. L. – TAS, ALP Chisholm, A. – QLD, ALP Ciccone, R. – VIC, ALP Cox, D. – WA, Greens Farrell, D. E. – SA, ALP Faruqi, M. – NSW, Greens Ghosh, V. – WA, ALP Green, N. L. – QLD, ALP Grogan, K. – SA, ALP Hanson-Young, S. C. – SA, Greens Lines, S. – WA, ALP McAllister, J. R. – NSW, ALP McCarthy, M. – NT, ALP McKim, N. J. – TAS, Greens O'Neill, D. M. – NSW, ALP Payman, F. – WA, ALP Pocock, B. – SA, Greens Pocock, D. W. – ACT, Independent Polley, H.- TAS, ALP Pratt, L. C. – WA, ALP Rice, J. E. – VIC. Greens Sheldon, A. V. – NSW, ALP Shoebridge, D. – NSW, Greens Smith, M. F. – SA, ALP Steele-John, J. A. – WA, Greens Sterle, G. – WA, ALP Stewart, J. N. A. – VIC, ALP Thorpe, L. A. – VIC, Independent Tyrrell, T. M. – TAS, Jacqui Lambie Network Urquhart, A. E. – TAS, ALP Walsh, J. C. – VIC, ALP Watt, M. P. – QLD, ALP Whish-Wilson, P. S. – TAS, Greens |
In short, defeated along party lines.
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Weird thing is that the Greens do a lot of whinging about aircraft noise. Their bloc of votes could have changed the outcome. I suspect politics had something to do with this...
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 11594020)
Weird thing is that the Greens do a lot of whinging about aircraft noise. Their bloc of votes could have changed the outcome. I suspect politics had something to do with this...
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I've no clue as to what your post means. Shrug emoji:
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The original motion, put by Senator Rice, was
That the following matter be referred to the Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport References Committee for inquiry and report by 8 October 2024: The impact and mitigation of aircraft noise on residents and business in capital cities and regional towns, with particular reference to: (a) the effect of aircraft noise on amenity, physical and mental wellbeing and everyday life of residents; (b) the effect of aircraft noise on small business; (c) any proposals for the mitigation and limitation of aircraft noise, including flight curfews, changes to flight paths and alternatives to air travel; (d) any barriers to the mitigation and limitation of aircraft noise; and (e) any other related matters. Omit all words after "That", substitute "the following matters be referred to the Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport References Committee for inquiry and report by 8 October 2024: (a) The impact, regulation and mitigation of aircraft noise on residents and business in our communities, including the impacts of aircraft noise on amenity, physical and mental wellbeing and everyday life of affected communities; and (b) Australia's airspace management, operation and regulation to ensure the safety, efficiency and sustainability of the aviation industry, with particular reference to: (i) the adequacy and effectiveness of Australia's airspace management operation and regulation in meeting the needs of the aviators and communities, (ii) skills shortages, job vacancies and access to skills training in the aviation sector, (iii) aircraft noise management practices and their effectiveness in mitigating impacts on communities, (iv) factors contributing to on-time performance issues across Australian airspace, (v) the safety and reliability of airspace management across rural and regional Australia, and (vi) any other related matters". |
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 11594020)
Weird thing is that the Greens do a lot of whinging about aircraft noise. Their bloc of votes could have changed the outcome. I suspect politics had something to do with this...
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Originally Posted by missy
(Post 11594322)
Indeed, what will be the "Quid pro quo"?
The Greens put the original motion forward. As you can see from your post that started this thread, Senator Rice is an Australian Greens senator. Rice's motion dealt specifically with one of their pet topics - aircraft noise. McKenzie then attempted to have a review of AsA added via an amendment. That amendment - the topic of your thread-starting post - was defeated. The Greens' original motion for the sub-committee to review aircraft noise was agreed to unamended. |
Thanks Mick. Now I understand. I should have read the entire Hansard.
Had the Coalition been in government and Labor tried the same tactic, the outcome would have been the same. |
I think the movers behind this are the Brisbane Flight Path Community Alliance (BPFCA)
See website here <https://bfpca.org.au/take-action/#oversight> |
Originally Posted by MickG0105
(Post 11594331)
You seem to be entirely missing the point here (is that what "missy" relates to?).
The Greens put the original motion forward. As you can see from your post that started this thread, Senator Rice is an Australian Greens senator. Rice's motion dealt specifically with one of their pet topics - aircraft noise. McKenzie then attempted to have a review of AsA added via an amendment. That amendment - the topic of your thread-starting post - was defeated. The Greens' original motion for the sub-committee to review aircraft noise was agreed to unamended. |
Missy,
Some of us have watched “democracy” operate in Senate Estimates for many years… Some of us didn’t come down in the last shower… I’d be impressed if there was any evidence our Senators actually thought…… A Royal Commission out of Senate Estimates today leads me to think you been indulging psychedelics again? I will hold further comment until after noting the corrupt nuances today… What a coincidence that the final episode of Nemesis is on tonight!! |
Originally Posted by missy
(Post 11594743)
Noted. Perhaps the learned Senators were thinking a Royal Commission would be more appropriate.
I would argue that a far reaching enquiry into ASA and CASA is far more warranted on the basis that a serious failure due to ASA mismanagement will have far greater consequences than noise and, to a degree, may improve noise outcomes as well. |
Originally Posted by C441
(Post 11595109)
A Greens spokesperson implied that part e of the bill "any other related matters" was enough to investigate the failings within ASA.
I would argue that a far reaching enquiry into ASA and CASA is far more warranted on the basis that a serious failure due to ASA mismanagement will have far greater consequences than noise and, to a degree, may improve noise outcomes as well. Be interesting to see the sincerity of each committee member and party this afternoon… |
Originally Posted by ER_BN
(Post 11595150)
Amen to that!
Be interesting to see the sincerity of each committee member and party this afternoon… |
Am more inclined to think we may see the full clay pigeon shooting repertoire on display ?
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Originally Posted by 10JQKA
(Post 11595165)
Am more inclined to think we may see the full clay pigeon shooting repertoire on display ?
I presume the “Make by day” Senator has declared the personal interest? |
My expectations are zero (as should be the expectation of the Greens/Noise Lobby).
As mentioned elsewhere, Estimates is little more than a multi-faceted protection racket, where everyone is implicated over time. |
Originally Posted by sunnySA
(Post 11595163)
The Senators are more likely to be interested in “what’s for lunch”.
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Be watching this comedy for a long time...ie AsA at Senate Estimates today...
As Con the Fruiterer would say as another PPUNEr recalls "Just Bewdiful" Was expecting some random clay shoot... Wasn't expecting a precision HIMARS assault from the wonderful Senator McKenzie... Even Senator Sterle started to "smell" the wind change....finally... AsA Board apparently to front Senate Estimates...only taken them twenty years.... Oh dear what a Herculean task to cleanse the Airservices stable, let alone CASA and ATSB... Schadenfreude, Schadenfreude, Schadenfreude,...Bless me father for I have sinned, but God it felt so good! What, a pantomime ......................... |
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