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Fluke 4th Feb 2024 03:20

Fun Rumours
 
Short memories.
I was in SQ when they tried oversea basings in the 90’s.
It’s a management tactic used to destabilise current workforce conditions and source new skilled labour.
Financially it works for company when they can pay the foreign workforce out of ticket revenue earned offshore so the money and costs never show up in main airline base. Tax becomes an issue for employees as you are an Australian tax resident with very few deductible claims. I think SQ employed through Mauritius. Another tactic is to construct something significant in Australia and get a state payroll tax exemption like Cathay negotiated for a while.

gordonfvckingramsay 4th Feb 2024 04:15

Wait til a certain US carrier opens an Aussie base(s) :oh:

onezeroonethree 4th Feb 2024 06:44

What’s the credibility of this rumour?

It's making my trousers tight. I want to believe it.

Hoosten 4th Feb 2024 07:50

I heard about it before I read about it here. Not that that means much, I also heard it from a few un-related sources.

Scooter Rassmussin 4th Feb 2024 23:11

I can only imagine you would be a contractor to the company not on the broad seniority so leaving the ME to come home would stop further entitlements.
Without schooling and Housing I’m sure they could pay around $300k AUD , if your a contractor %30 company tax in Australia.

Switchbait 5th Feb 2024 00:13


Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin (Post 11590332)
I can only…

Without schooling and Housing I’m sure they could pay around $300k AUD , if your a contractor %30 company tax in Australia.


Not quite that simple unfortunately.

KAPAC 5th Feb 2024 00:43

Start and finish in Australia , does not mean live in Australia .

Icarus2001 5th Feb 2024 02:20


Start and finish in Australia , does not mean live in Australia .
I like your thinking.

exfocx 5th Feb 2024 02:48


Originally Posted by KAPAC (Post 11590361)
Start and finish in Australia , does not mean live in Australia .


Anyone thinking that they can have a contract basing them in Australia and not pay tax is kidding themselves.

First off the ATO will ask to see your contract, the moment it has you based here you are a resident, this will be confirmed by the fact your family will be here as well, you’ll be accessing medicare, have everyday bank accounts, children going to school and you still living in your home. Don’t even think about the 180 day as that is just one part of the story, the points just made kill that. You can be away for more than 180 days and still be a resident. PWC advice to me back in 2010 was an engineer they represented against the ATO. Based in UAE, family living here, only coming back 6 wks pa. RESULT: resident for tax purposes, ties to Australia not cut, kids in school, wife here living in family home, house mortgage etc.

If you get advise to the contrary ask your advisor if they recommend asking the ATO for a ruling on your circumstances! If you ignore that it is self assessment, so you could get away with it, until you get audited.

SOPS 5th Feb 2024 02:50


Originally Posted by KAPAC (Post 11590361)
Start and finish in Australia , does not mean live in Australia .

Have a house and wife and kids in Australia? You are living in Australia. Have a look at the ATO web site.

neville_nobody 5th Feb 2024 03:56


Originally Posted by exfocx (Post 11590385)
Anyone thinking that they can have a contract basing them in Australia and not pay tax is kidding themselves.

First off the ATO will ask to see your contract, the moment it has you based here you are a resident, this will be confirmed by the fact your family will be here as well, you’ll be accessing medicare, have everyday bank accounts, children going to school and you still living in your home. Don’t even think about the 180 day as that is just one part of the story, the points just made kill that. You can be away for more than 180 days and still be a resident. PWC advice to me back in 2010 was an engineer they represented against the ATO. Based in UAE, family living here, only coming back 6 wks pa. RESULT: resident for tax purposes, ties to Australia not cut, kids in school, wife here living in family home, house mortgage etc.

If you get advise to the contrary ask your advisor if they recommend asking the ATO for a ruling on your circumstances! If you ignore that it is self assessment, so you could get away with it, until you get audited.

Was that’s a judge’s opinion or the ATO’s?? The ATO loves to throw its weight around but are reluctant to actually go to court which result in binding rulings they don’t control. A bit like another regulator we’re all familiar with.

Icarus2001 5th Feb 2024 03:56

Single guy or girl, no kids, no property in Australia, other than investment?

KAPAC 5th Feb 2024 05:19

Lots of Aussies married to non Aussies and SE Asia , for whatever reason, seems to be where the wives where born . So living near Australia might work with no ties except work ? Tax implications I got no idea .

Duck Pilot 5th Feb 2024 05:39


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11590404)
Single guy or girl, no kids, no property in Australia, other than investment?

I agree however I would go one further and recommend no investment property/no income being sourced in Australia.

If you’ve got a house, don’t rent it out. Lock it up and leave it empty and get someone to check on it regularly.

Chris2303 5th Feb 2024 06:56


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11590386)
Have a house and wife and kids in Australia? You are living in Australia. Have a look at the ATO web site.

What if one was a Kiwi, living in NZ and commuting?

Lapon 5th Feb 2024 08:26


Originally Posted by Chris2303 (Post 11590468)
What if one was a Kiwi, living in NZ and commuting?

You'd face the same situation with the IRD wrt whatever thier requirements are.

exfocx 5th Feb 2024 12:35


Originally Posted by neville_nobody (Post 11590403)
Was that’s a judge’s opinion or the ATO’s?? The ATO loves to throw its weight around but are reluctant to actually go to court which result in binding rulings they don’t control. A bit like another regulator we’re all familiar with.

They lost to the ATO in the AAT. I was told they took a much harder attitude after the GFC. There was a Dr who left here and went to Indo, left his house empty for when they came back for holidays and also lost on the subject of "resident for tax purposes" (in the papers at the time).

exfocx 5th Feb 2024 12:43


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11590404)
Single guy or girl, no kids, no property in Australia, other than investment?

The problem with this is I’d have thought the company that employs you will be required to tax you as an Australian resident, they’ll also likely need to see a “right to reside”. If they op out of here and try to get around tax law and get caught, it will look rather ugly in the press and in addition, might find themselves up for the unpaid tax.

Icarus2001 5th Feb 2024 13:10


The problem with this is I’d have thought the company that employs you will be required to tax you as an Australian resident,
What, if you live in Indonesia and commute to Australia three times a month to pickup an outbound flight.

The UAE would not collect tax for the ATO. Are you crazy?

I think someone is wishful thinking this to happen. I can’t see it.

Capn Rex Havoc 5th Feb 2024 16:45

A lot of guys are based in Aus, and commute flying for Atlas and National. It works.


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