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walesregent 2nd Feb 2024 11:16


Originally Posted by Duck Pilot (Post 11588654)
I’m sure the ATO will welcome this initiative….

Check the definition of an Australian tax resident before making a decision to base in Australia, as the tax free salary may in fact be taxed at nearly 50% :}

Really? What rules apply that stop you paying the same tax rates as any other Australian national? I know you don’t get the tax free threshold as a foreigner working here, but have never heard of foreign income being treated differently. Asking out of genuine curiosity, no malice intended

morno 2nd Feb 2024 11:40


Originally Posted by walesregent (Post 11588681)
Really? What rules apply that stop you paying the same tax rates as any other Australian national? I know you don’t get the tax free threshold as a foreigner working here, but have never heard of foreign income being treated differently. Asking out of genuine curiosity, no malice intended

I think what he’s getting at, is that unlike the tax free salary you’d get in Dubai, if you lived in Australia it’s suddenly not tax free, and you would be paying 47% tax on it (as you’re most likely going to be in the top tax bracket), making it not worth as much in the hand anymore.

IF this did happen (I still think it’s a little too early for April Fools), I’d suggest that there’d be a much different package than what’s on offer in Dubai.

Chronic Snoozer 2nd Feb 2024 12:07

Steady on, 47%. That is merely the top rate which kicks in above $180k. A 300k pa salary would surrender around 35c in the dollar before Medicare.

And the Muscat refueller says it’s not EK.

morno 2nd Feb 2024 12:39


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11588725)
Steady on, 47%. That is merely the top rate which kicks in above $180k. A 300k pa salary would surrender around 35c in the dollar before Medicare.

And the Muscat refueller says it’s not EK.

Alright, I was simplifying it for arguments sake. You’re right, approx 35 cents per dollar.

dejapoo 2nd Feb 2024 12:41


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11588725)
Steady on, 47%. That is merely the top rate which kicks in above $180k. A 300k pa salary would surrender around 35c in the dollar before Medicare.

And the Muscat refueller says it’s not EK.

it's the goat 🐐

krismiler 2nd Feb 2024 12:44

Negative gearing and novated car leases lessen the tax burden a bit. Paying 30% odd might be worth it for a life at home and continuing to stay married.

China Southern offered reverse rostering pre COVID which was a huge incentive compared to living in the PRC.

walesregent 2nd Feb 2024 13:20


Originally Posted by morno (Post 11588749)
Alright, I was simplifying it for arguments sake. You’re right, approx 35 cents per dollar.

Maybe the original poster included GST, fuel excise, stamp duty, sin taxes (booze, tobacco, etc) etc in which case 50% might actually be close to the mark. I personally would rather pay these taxes than live in the ME but I get that it might be a factor in some people’s decisions.

Duck Pilot 2nd Feb 2024 16:20

I’m talking about the marginal income tax rate for someone on 300K or more p/a.

https://www.ato.gov.au/tax-rates-and...lian-residents

Foreign income is definitely used to calculate an Australian tax resident’s marginal income tax rate, regardless of what tax rate one is charged offshore.

Best seek advice from a good tax advisor. I speak from a bad experience with regards to this issue.

Fonz121 2nd Feb 2024 19:56

This went from a rumour to a tax conundrum in record pace.

framer 2nd Feb 2024 20:06

If it’s enough to simply pay the Australian taxes on like any other income, then it’s enough. If you have to start thinking about whether or not you’re a tax resident or not it’s a giant pain in the bum that probably won’t work. I suspect the salary will be tailored to ensure you can sit in Manly, pay your 35% , and still feel good about life.

cloudsurfng 2nd Feb 2024 20:40

Sounds like a great way to recruit suckers only to have to close the base due to ‘efficiencies’ or ‘change in business circumstances’ not much later with the condition of ‘if you want to keep your job, it’s now based in …….’

would you really trust them enough to not have that concern resting on your shoulders?

Jimsaviation 2nd Feb 2024 21:00

Even if it does happen, employment will most likely be on a specific Australian base contract through an entity set up specifically for hiring crew in Australia. You cannot maintain a non-resident tax status and be an Australian-based crew.

Anyway, I'll believe it when I see it. Hopefully, it does happen and shakes up the great Australian employers to pay a wage commensurate with experience and skill. However, the C-suite in Australia is a toxic gas and would rather shut down the industry than improve T & C's, but I digress.

cLeArIcE 2nd Feb 2024 22:57


Originally Posted by Jimsaviation (Post 11588990)
Even if it does happen, employment will most likely be on a specific Australian base contract through an entity set up specifically for hiring crew in Australia.

Do you know if that's how it worked at china Southern etc? Makes sense.
This is very in interesting, but if (big if) this is true, I think the numbers of crew applying at JQ, VA, and all the other QF subsidiary's will be huge. It has the potential to really shake things up. They will have no problem crewing the entire operation and then some just on Australian pilots let alone other bases.
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Jimsaviation 3rd Feb 2024 00:32

Not really at China Southern, but it was how CX did it back in the day. China Southern was reverse-scheduling port vs. CX's Australian base. Given Middle East promises are about as reliable as Philip Lowe's interest rate predictions, I'd be careful signing up for a reverse schedule by any of the ME3.

As far as tax, my understanding is that CSA pilots were still liable for Aus tax, but their salaries are net of Chinese tax. Therefore, with the Chinese-Australian tax treaty, you would give the ATO a certificate from China stating the tax paid and eliminate a double tax.

It would be good if the original poster would say which company called them. I know QR are losing crew to Riyadh with the 2on/2off deal, so my bet would be on them. I don't see EK doing it because everyone loves Dubai.

Anyway, it is all speculation, and I have no idea how it will be managed if and when it comes about.


dragon man 3rd Feb 2024 00:40

If it places Australian companies under pressure to keep pilots then it can’t come quick enough. Hope it materialises and is not just a rumour.

Global Aviator 3rd Feb 2024 02:27


Originally Posted by hoss (Post 11588404)
You should be in Marketing, that was the best advertisement for a Florist that I’ve seen lately. Excellent work😉👍🌹.

Still waiting on the link to order the flowers!

SDN Superstar 3rd Feb 2024 08:22

Do they have a B scale?

Asking for a friend…

missy 3rd Feb 2024 10:38


Originally Posted by Pastor of Muppets (Post 11588394)
So a couple of days ago I was contacted by a recruiting department on behalf of a well known Middle Eastern carrier, by telephone, Conversation was reference a COVID times CV that I sent off and I thought it interesting that reference was made to the very likely possibility of an Australian base. I’m employed outside of flying these days so I cut the call short and continued preparing flowers in our florist store. The afternoon rolled by and I got to thinking……

Anyone get a call like this? Was it a prank?

ps.The 14th is only around the corner, don’t forget the flowers😀

Argh, The Florist, making your own arrangements.

Roses please!

Gnadenburg 3rd Feb 2024 16:57

Could be true. Local Australian pilots have a cheap mindset and are slaves to a mortgage. A sound industrial move by the former slave traders to secure human capital.

aussieflyboy 4th Feb 2024 02:54


Originally Posted by cloudsurfng (Post 11588979)
Sounds like a great way to recruit suckers only to have to close the base due to ‘efficiencies’ or ‘change in business circumstances’ not much later with the condition of ‘if you want to keep your job, it’s now based in …….’

would you really trust them enough to not have that concern resting on your shoulders?

Mate have a look at how many bases the Qantas Group has closed in the last 5 years. For someone who has a life and family in Perth, Cairns, Darwin ect. and then has a Qantas ‘manager’ close that base and get told to move to MEL or ADL it’s really no different to being told to move to the ME (ie: your going to tell them to stick it).


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