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Network EBA
Voting closes today, and the results are due for the EBA.
Anticipating the outcome to truly ascertain whether a rising tide lifts all boats, albeit at a reduced overtime rate. Still curious as to the motives of one prolific poster , member for 14 years and 100 posts on one PIA thread ... |
57% No. Well that's a great suprise.
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Time to stick it to QF IR.
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Originally Posted by dusty99
(Post 11571066)
57% No. Well that's a great suprise.
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Congratulations to everyone involved it was definitely the right decision!
And congratulations to "I am in need of a changes" family. They will benefit from this greatly. |
Some very sour network lifers walking around T3/T4 tomorrow. Keep your eyes peeled.
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Congratulations to the boys and girls at Network. A good outcome. I really would like to see if IB does not get you a better outcome. A hard decision but well done.
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Time to stop screwing around. Back to PIA.
Improved OT dollars. Backpay Bonuses |
Originally Posted by 1234fly
(Post 11571075)
Some very sour network lifers walking around T3/T4 tomorrow. Keep your eyes peeled.
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Was it a greater No vote than the previous ballot? What do you think the reason for the difference is?
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Greater participation maybe?
Good on you guys applause emoji |
Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
(Post 11571130)
Was it a greater No vote than the previous ballot? What do you think the reason for the difference is?
Unsure how many voted both times. |
Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
(Post 11571087)
Time to stop screwing around. Back to PIA.
Improved OT dollars. Backpay Bonuses |
Originally Posted by soseg
(Post 11571160)
54% no, and now 57%
Unsure how many voted both times. Never could quite understand why someone wouldn’t or didn’t vote. |
Well done to all the boys and girls who made the right decision to no doubt eventually improve the futures of all your colleagues, and I'm sure inevitably the industry as a whole.
Not an easy decision I'm sure with the back pay and other threats being thrown around however whatever route this goes, be it IB or PIA, I'm sure the outcome can only improve. |
I’ve been a pretty vocal critic of Network pilots accepting crap deals for years.
I am now prepared to swallow my pride and say that this time - they’ve absolutely proven me wrong. Congratulations to you all. What a crystal clear message you’ve sent to Qantas IR. This level of unity within different pilot groups has rarely been realised in Australia until now. MOST IMPORTANTLY, QF’s strategy of playing pilot groups off against each other (“if you don’t agree to this deal then we’ll give the new jets to someone else”) - is now officially dead in the water. Network pilots have stood up and are demanding to be recognised as the group of professional and talented pilots they are. NJS guys and girls - take note. Australian pilots are standing together. I Need Of A Change … you’d better head back to the drawing board. No KPIs for you. |
Interesting that this is the third NO vote.
Could it be that pilots are fed up with the BS from these corporate bullies? P.S. The company is more afraid of IB than we are… Stay the course guys, amazing work! |
Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
(Post 11572029)
P.S. The company is more afraid of IB than we are…
Great work NAA guys, we all owe you a beer! |
Originally Posted by MikeHatter732
(Post 11572039)
Great work NAA guys, we all owe you a beer!
We also owe a Shandy for the gals🍻 |
Originally Posted by CaptCloudbuster
(Post 11572042)
Let’s not be sexist!
We also owe a Shandy for the gals🍻 |
I’ve seen a copy of the agreement recently voted on, can anyone tell me why it says “F100/E190” on the pay scales?
Has it actually been stated E190’s are a planned F100 replacement? (logic would say yes, but this is aviation!) A reasonable assumption could be made that Alliance in WA will be all E190’s one day (given they already operate them), but for Network that’s a new type. |
Still 43% are as clueless and piss-weak as I need a change. And that’s a disappointing amount of people.
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There are always going to be people who vote Yes.
1. Younger folks who are new to the game and don’t know what an EA is or its implications. 2. Older folk who just need a few more years until retirement and don’t want to shake the boat in case their work stops/base closure/ect. 3. FOs who think they’ll get looked upon favourably at CMD upgrade time. 4. Capts who think they’ll get looked upon favourably at Trainer selection time. 5. Family people who are worried about base closures at a financially important time (new house/kids. Most of these things are irrelevant to a result of a Pilot EA vote and if QF want to close a base or reduce work the EA won’t affect it but you can’t tell some people that… I’ve always thought the AFAP should have a brochure explaining what an EA is and its affects ect. and send it out to new starters so there’s a better understanding of it all. |
Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
(Post 11572641)
There are always going to be people who vote Yes.
1. Younger folks who are new to the game and don’t know what an EA is or its implications. 2. Older folk who just need a few more years until retirement and don’t want to shake the boat in case their work stops/base closure/ect. 3. FOs who think they’ll get looked upon favourably at CMD upgrade time. 4. Capts who think they’ll get looked upon favourably at Trainer selection time. 5. Family people who are worried about base closures at a financially important time (new house/kids. Most of these things are irrelevant to a result of a Pilot EA vote and if QF want to close a base or reduce work the EA won’t affect it but you can’t tell some people that… I’ve always thought the AFAP should have a brochure explaining what an EA is and its affects ect. and send it out to new starters so there’s a better understanding of it all. |
#3 and #4 do they not realise the vote is anonymous?
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Network sounds like an awesome place to work. Obviously a great culture……if you just do what everyone else does and don’t voice an opinion contrary to the popular narrative.
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#2 and #5 Base closure? :ugh: and what , send the work to mainline? I'm sure the crews would welcome some day trips again.
All quiet on the Western Front , the yatch name KPI remains moored and under contract in Balmain no doubt. Anyone seen INOAC? #6 no doubt applicable. |
Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar
(Post 11572729)
#2 and #5 Base closure? :ugh: and what , send the work to mainline? I'm sure the crews would welcome some day trips again.
I remember a story in a previous life about a pilot who loudly proclaimed to management that he would proudly be voting Yes to a fairly rotten EA most disapproved of. A few month later he got a management job and a training role out of the blue, so this type of thing happens. |
Threatening base closures have been a mainstay for IR when it comes to contractors or subsidiaries with bases spread around the country. It usually pops up around this time or whenever pilots have the audacity to expect decent working conditions.
As we’ve seen however, QF tend to close bases whenever someone sneezes, only to reopen them a few years later. You could work for free and give away all of your rights and still have your base rug pulled out from under you. Hang tough, we’re worth more! |
Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
(Post 11572780)
Threatening base closures have been a mainstay for IR when it comes to contractors or subsidiaries with bases spread around the country. It usually pops up around this time or whenever pilots have the audacity to expect decent working conditions.
As we’ve seen however, QF tend to close bases whenever someone sneezes, only to reopen them a few years later. You could work for free and give away all of your rights and still have your base rug pulled out from under you. Hang tough, we’re worth more! |
Guy and girls on the ground are talking about a 5 day stop work this month to pressure qf into some action. Hopefully the unions can make this happen!
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Originally Posted by 1234fly
(Post 11573474)
Guy and girls on the ground are talking about a 5 day stop work this month to pressure qf into some action. Hopefully the unions can make this happen!
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It’s heartening to hear Network pilots standing up for better treatment. My understanding is that the deal over West is quite substandard by any measure. QF IR need a reset, pronto, the Joyce brain fart on wages must be assigned to the bin, where it belongs. The SH mainline EA looks as if it may be another bruising encounter for them. The LH mainline EA will be a fist fight.
Keep it up folks. |
I've been down a rabbit hole and came across this quote from Captain Sullenberger, 2009, some 15 years ago. It still resonates.(My bold)
Members, I attempt to speak accurately and plainly, so please do not think I exaggerate when I say I do not know a single professional airline pilot who wants his or her children to follow in their footsteps. I am worried that the airline piloting profession will not be able to continue to attract the best and the brightest.The current experience and skills of our country’s professional airline pilots come from investments made years ago, when we were able to attract the ambitious, talented people who now frequently seek professional careers elsewhere. That past investment was an indispensable element in our commercial aviation infrastructure, vital to safe air travel and our country’s economy and security. If we do not sufficiently value the airline piloting profession and future pilots are less experienced and less skilled, it logically follows that we will see negative consequences to the flying public and to our country. We face remarkable challenges in our industry. In order to ensure economic security and an uncompromising approach to passenger safety, management must work with labor to bargain in good faith, we must find collective solutions that address the huge economic issues we face in recruiting and retaining the experienced and highly-skilled professionals that the industry requires and that passenger safety demands. |
Keep up the good fight lads/gals. Shut them down again if you have to. It’s about time the aviation unions harden up and become more like unions of other industries in this country. Just have a look at what’s going on with the ports.
https://amp.theguardian.com/business...push-up-prices |
If port workers have been on the same T&C slippery dip that workers in most other industries have, the economic damage really lies with the sheeple CEOs who caused it. Furthermore if Australia hadn’t shut down all manufacturing citing the cost of staffing, we would be somewhat immune to the cost of importing things we can (and should) make here.
Staff are not a cost, they’re an asset. Keep it up! |
Not all manufacturing has been shutdown. Australia still manufactures red tape and non-gendered text.
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
(Post 11575046)
Not all manufacturing has been shutdown. Australia still manufactures red tape and non-gendered text.
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Time for another strike, the message just isn't getting through. Fair work have approved it, C'mon AFAP !
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Sounds like a stop work is required.
That would send a clear message |
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