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Wizofoz 16th Dec 2023 22:21

YSSY single runway
 
For much of yesterday, 16/12/2023, Sydney was on single runway ops because of staff shortages.

Now, while this is just outragous, it was also...well...fine.

Minimal delays, short taxis, less fuel burn/emmisions.

While of course the bussiest airport in the country should be resourced to use all it's runways, it should also be run as efficiently as possible. Yesterday showed that sensible, tactical runway use based on demand, rather than politically mandated splitting, including one of the longest taxis in the world, is hugely preferable.

It was an Emporers New Clothes moment, and it would be a shame if lessons weren't learnt.

10JQKA 16th Dec 2023 22:41

Any idea what the average ground delay was ?

unobtanium 16th Dec 2023 23:25


Originally Posted by Wizofoz (Post 11557893)
For much of yesterday, 16/12/2023, Sydney was on single runway ops because of staff shortages.

Now, while this is just outragous, it was also...well...fine.

Minimal delays, short taxis, less fuel burn/emmisions.

While of course the bussiest airport in the country should be resourced to use all it's runways, it should also be run as efficiently as possible. Yesterday showed that sensible, tactical runway use based on demand, rather than politically mandated splitting, including one of the longest taxis in the world, is hugely preferable.

It was an Emporers New Clothes moment, and it would be a shame if lessons weren't learnt.

longest taxi's in the world? Get out of you're little bubble it's not even close

ShandywithSugar 17th Dec 2023 00:19

25 mins airborne

shortshortz 17th Dec 2023 00:36


Originally Posted by Wizofoz (Post 11557893)
For much of yesterday, 16/12/2023, Sydney was on single runway ops because of staff shortages.

Now, while this is just outragous, it was also...well...fine.

Minimal delays, short taxis, less fuel burn/emmisions.

While of course the bussiest airport in the country should be resourced to use all it's runways, it should also be run as efficiently as possible. Yesterday showed that sensible, tactical runway use based on demand, rather than politically mandated splitting, including one of the longest taxis in the world, is hugely preferable.

It was an Emporers New Clothes moment, and it would be a shame if lessons weren't learnt.

So you think we should reduce Airservice staff numbers to be run Sydney more efficiently? yeah ok

SHVC 17th Dec 2023 01:05


Originally Posted by Wizofoz (Post 11557893)
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Minimal delays, short taxis, less fuel burn/emmisions.

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Hahahahaha oh god, let’s not forget the airborne delays plus additional delays on bays at departing airports. If you’re a real believer in this climate rubbish get out of aviation.

T54A 17th Dec 2023 01:47

SYD (and MEL) ATC would do well to send a team over to LHR/FRA/MUC to learn a bit. They make mountains out of mole hills and could be a lot more efficient.

Wizofoz 17th Dec 2023 04:40


Originally Posted by unobtanium (Post 11557922)
longest taxi's in the world? Get out of you're little bubble it's not even close

I said one of the longest. 18R at Schiphol is certainly longer- I've done it in LVO condition twice in the same day....

Wizofoz 17th Dec 2023 04:51


Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar (Post 11557935)
25 mins airborne

Sure. When that's happening use both. My point is during quiet times making everyone taxi to/from the eastern runway is inefficient .


Originally Posted by shortshortz (Post 11557940)
So you think we should reduce Airservice staff numbers to be run Sydney more efficiently? yeah ok

Not even remotely what I wrote . Perhaps a short course in English comprehension?

missy 17th Dec 2023 05:37


Originally Posted by T54A (Post 11557960)
SYD (and MEL) ATC would do well to send a team over to LHR/FRA/MUC to learn a bit. They make mountains out of mole hills and could be a lot more efficient.

Perhaps July for LHR and October for FRA and MUC :).
Seriously, the rosters are probably that tight that staff would be struggling to get their allocated holidays.
NATS were in Sydney back 10 years ago and most (all) of their recommendations were not acted upon.

After the introduction of the 3rd parallel runway, pre-LTOP report and I think it was from the Old Tower, we used to do 07 only on Saturday afternoons, weather permitting. Brought the crowds back.

sunnySA 17th Dec 2023 06:29


Originally Posted by T54A (Post 11557960)
SYD (and MEL) ATC would do well to send a team over to LHR/FRA/MUC to learn a bit. They make mountains out of mole hills and could be a lot more efficient.

AsA has recruited staff from all around the world. Over the past decade, SYD TWR has had ATCs on the roster who had previously worked in South Africa, New Zealand, Middle East, UK (eg LHR, LGW) and US (eg JFK, SFO). At no time did anyone sit down with them and ask them "what could we do better", or "here's a blank piece of paper, go for it" or hand them a green cap. Too many managers and ATCs with black caps, too many managers and ATCs with little or no interest in anything new or anything that involved them working harder or more creatively.

das Uber Soldat 17th Dec 2023 12:09


Originally Posted by Wizofoz (Post 11557988)
I said one of the longest.

Citation needed. Because I can't think of an airport in SE asia where I've operated that didn't have a taxi route longer.

Wizofoz 17th Dec 2023 19:09


Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat (Post 11558159)
Citation needed. Because I can't think of an airport in SE asia where I've operated that didn't have a taxi route longer.

I'm glad you've found the most critical part of my post. The ten odd minutes per arriival and departure added taxiing to the eastern runway are irrelevent because there's somewhere eles that's twelve. Thanks for putting me straight.

neville_nobody 17th Dec 2023 19:30

It was probably ‘fine’ because it was operated at a lower capacity with flights cancelled to fit into the movement quota.

If SYD ran the normal number of movements on 1 runway it would be at gridlock.

Wizofoz 17th Dec 2023 20:01


Originally Posted by neville_nobody (Post 11558318)
It was probably ‘fine’ because it was operated at a lower capacity with flights cancelled to fit into the movement quota.

If SYD ran the normal number of movements on 1 runway it would be at gridlock.

AFAIK everyone was flying a normal schedule. Satutday mid-day is actually pretty quiet.

C441 17th Dec 2023 20:19


It was probably ‘fine’ because it was operated at a lower capacity with flights cancelled to fit into the movement quota.
…..For which the airlines will be mercilessly castigated.

mikk_13 17th Dec 2023 22:12


Originally Posted by T54A (Post 11557960)
SYD (and MEL) ATC would do well to send a team over to LHR/FRA/MUC to learn a bit. They make mountains out of mole hills and could be a lot more efficient.

They did. ASA solved staffing problems across the globe.

das Uber Soldat 17th Dec 2023 22:50


Originally Posted by Wizofoz (Post 11558310)
I'm glad you've found the most critical part of my post. The ten odd minutes per arriival and departure added taxiing to the eastern runway are irrelevent because there's somewhere eles that's twelve. Thanks for putting me straight.

Don't cry at me. You made some ludicrous claim, its wrong, I'm pointing it out. Do you believe you're entitled to say whatever you want regardless of fact and we're all required to just nod in agreement?

The longest taxi route at YSSY is 5.2km.

Narita has a taxi route thats 9.5km long. Osaka, 7.5km. Singapore I've taxied DOUBLE the YSSY distance, over 10.5km when departing off 02R. 10.5x2=12 right?

There is nothing special about Sydneys taxi route.




VHOED191006 17th Dec 2023 23:24

The difference between a 34L and 34R taxi is only 2-3 minutes. Are we seriously complaining over 2 minutes?!

Wizofoz 18th Dec 2023 01:20


Originally Posted by VHOED191006 (Post 11558411)
The difference between a 34L and 34R taxi is only 2-3 minutes. Are we seriously complaining over 2 minutes?!

Sure, Now compare 16L and 16R.


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