I never said on a permanent or ongoing basis
More so during the transition
Ie. currently flying 738 but getting certified on a 320 you can for a period be flying either

In practice it doesn’t work out like that.

As ScepticalOptemist said, it doesn’t work like that. While they’re training for the new type, when do you expect them to be able to fit in line flying on the original type? And then in a perfect world, they will commence flying straight away on the new type. So no, they can’t just fly a 737 when they’re training on an A321.

History tells us that this has been done before…

QLink did a trial in ~2014 on the Q200, Q300 & Q400 fleets, and found that it was too much work. Different type ratings means meeting the CASA simulator/exam requirements just like everyone else. So two sims per year for the Q200/300 and two sims per year for the Q400. The extra study and training meant that the unions (understandably) wanted more money.

VARA tried this with the AT5 and AT6 fleets with the same result as above.

AirNZ did this also with the down trained 777 crew into the 787, with a handful remaining current on both. But once again, four sims per year. Got vetoed quickly.

But with all these failures, it actually wouldn’t surprise me for (mis)management to try this again with QF 737 pilots to see how it (doesn’t) work. :ugh:

I reckon it would be less than a month before it caused an incident that made the morning herald.

And they're all kinda similar types, let alone 737 and a321 at the same time.

Possible? Sure. Workable and realistic? Hmmm

The 734->738 was different enough and workable but not really ideal particularly as the classic fleet reduced.

AirNZ did this also with the down trained 777 crew into the 787, with a handful remaining current on both. But once again, four sims per year. Got vetoed quickly.

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Incorrect, although individuals could opt out and ANZ do 4 days of sims per year anyway.

A point only briefly raised is that training on a new type is a full-time job. Lots of study as airlines aren’t in the business of spoon-feeding lessons to trainees.

Also, for the obviously uninitiated, Boeing and Airbus design philosophy and features are different. Those differences can be quite subtle but very significant.

I have a lot of types on my licences, but am only ever somewhat expert on my current one.

when would they start training for the A321? would they put 737 crew on straight away? or more likely to offer new hires it day 1 if they have 320 experience to get the ball rolling

I don't think any larger jet operator would have cross crewed types unless they are specifically allowed under the type rating. Different manufacturers would be a big no no. You get taken off one fleet when you commence training for the next. As said above, incidents and accidents would follow. J* almost lost an A320 because of differences and misunderstandings, they were very lucky it didn't end up like the emirates 777 accident or worse. The Dash-8 type rating allowed cross crewing of all Dash-8 models, with training requirements for differences during cyclics if it's done, but it was found out very quickly that the Q-400 was a very different machine to the earlier ones so many airlines split the fleets. And the Q400 was designed to be similar to the older models, Airbus and Boeings are as far apart as their headquarters.

PS Another reason for split fleets is the question of pay, you will either be paying someone flying a Dash 300, Q400 pay (pilots push) or paying somebody flying a Q400, 300 pay (company push), it all gets too hard after a while.

It was a twice a week service (Thurs & Sun), Return tickets were usually around the $800-$900 economy mark. Tickets return PER-LEA were usually around $600-$700 during the high season this year before you add on the extra flight to Perth. Took the route about 4 times this year and it always felt around %75 full.

Have you got a bit more meat on that bone? Was it a new Captain coming off the 787 and where did it allegedly happen?

I reckon he’s talking about the JQ TOGA tap incident at Melbourne??? Musta been 10 years ago? Very vague memory of it!

Well you would be wrong. We are not talking about usual practice but whether it is precluded under any rules.

I don't mean large jets, I meant large operators. There were allowances for crosscrewing certain types like 757/767 and certain Airbusses can be crosscrewed. But I havn't heard of Boeing/Airbus crosscrewing in a major airline, yet.

Exactly, well kind of
Tickets were around $800-$900 each way
You could get them via Perth for around $600-$650

Perhaps you have not heard of it but that does not mean it does not occur or not permissible under regulations.

If that is what he is talking about then it had nothing to do with coming off another type! It had a lot to do with not understanding modes (common to Boeing and Airbus). If it is something else I would really like to know the circumstances as I would want to know what someone coming off a 787 could do on an Airbus that could cause a near catastrophe.

The TOGA tap incident was, hard to believe, 16 years ago.

Can we have an example of such things happening? Like a large operator in recent times that has cross crewed Boeing/Airbus fleets. That is one pilot flying both types alternating regularly during a roster.

I'm pretty sure most agencies regulating airlined have to approve procedures for cross crewing, for instance Air India has just won approval to cross crew 777/787, but there's so far nothing saying that will extend to airbus types.

No you can’t as it will reveal two companies I have worked for. I can tell you it was isolated incidents not regular procedure but it was done and is legal. No it is not a good idea but in a pinch it can be done.