Its good news for the crews on the Jq 787 fleet. After their treatment during covid from all quarters, its a welcome change.

As far as other individuals negativity, I think you will find that most simply dont care what you think.

MCD

Some of these comments are amazing.

Looks like extra frames are on the horizon as well.

Where specifically is this "$4.1m bonus" referenced?

There ain’t no more frames coming. Not in the Boeing variety at least.

We will see how this comment ages.

When someone told you more frames coming, did you ask them what nations flag was on the tail?

D checks will require considerable downtime for many years. Someone else will need to fill the gap, it sure won’t be locals. Won’t want those Asian LCCs taking market share.

Wouldn’t be surprised if some mainline 78’s were borrowed during the downtime due D-checks. Just like how the A330s were borrowed some time ago. Didn’t mainline just increased their orders of 78’s?

Given the fact that mainline is short of airframes and it’s restricting wanted growth, I highly doubt they are going to hand over a couple of 787’s to Jetstar for a few years.

It's clear that's there's not enough of them, so either get rid of them or at least double the fleet! With the 100mil investment it's looking positive.

Think you'll find that "borrowed" is selective memory.
The A330/B787 Qantas/Jetstar shuffle was a result of the inability to get the 787 to JQ on time (read QF stuffing up the order). JQ needed a widebody. Once they had enough, the A330's could come back to QF so they could retire the 767.
JQ had the 787 for 4 years before QF got one. Joyce wouldn't commit whether JQ will get the 321XLR first. Doesn't say much for mainline when all the flash new "game changers" go to JQ first.

Traffic is correct.

The constant chorus of " well informed " detractors have been proved wrong. The 787s are staying at JQ.
The narrative that they were always going back to QF has once and for all been proved to be incorrect as it always was going to be.
Its great news for the 787 crews. End of story.

MCD

You’re spinning it the wrong way.

What was on the whiteboard in Collingwood in 2019? That’s right, 3 to be sold and a further 2 EOI to the buyer should they want more. The fleet was heading out the door.

2022 onwards the dynamics changed.

Margins soared. That part of group is making green earnings for the first time ever. The decision has now changed to hold them. Great for everyone, but don’t act like the past was unicorns and rainbows.

What else was happening in 2019 ?

The EBA was being negotiated and the pilots actually started PIA.

This was nothing but scare tactics but nobody fell for it, apart from maybe you.

Come on, no one knows what is going on behind closed doors, I would be amazed if anyone in Collingwood had any influence whatsoever in whether the 787s are or were being sold off. Certainly pilots have no influence on it, they are not refurbishing and installing lie flat rest because of Pilot pressure, they are doing it because someone in Qantas has said ‘India’ is an untapped market and the flights will require inflight rest.

And let's be honest, things may change considerably between now and when the first frames go in for their refit. The plan back in 2007 was that the -8s were a stopgap until the lower seat-km cost 787-9s come in, and then they were going to replace the A330s over at QF. For a laundry list of reasons, that has changed. Now JQ longhaul must be paying its way, but as Bali, Japan and Korea are likely to become XLR territory (if it can make it), pushing the -8s onto longer routes is not a bad idea, especially if you can tap the large volume, low yield markets like India and the thicker SE Asia routes.

Yes, they should have had crew rest from the start, but these were never intended to hang around as long as they did. So, yeah.

More likely someone in Jetstar said, Qantas have established good returns on Indian market, let's take it.

Correct. It was a decision Gareth made, and signed off by Alan. MS was then sent in to get rid of them. He put 3 on the market.

Gareth wouldn’t be doing that as a scare tactic. Sure, they never made money, drag on the business, but he would actually just do it to p!$$ off the pilots, a form of punishment for striking against him, regardless of cost. That’s the sort of people this group deals with. Same garbage over in the west at the moment.

Its nearly 2024 mate. Im not really sure what you are trying to achieve. Refferencing 2019? What ever works for your argument I guess but why the angst?

No one mentioned anything about unicorns and rainbows. No crying bus driver interviews on tv during covid for the JQ 787 crew.

Get some holidays or bid onto a wide body fleet PJ. You obviously need a change from whatever you are doing currently.

MCD

Correct, it’s time to long move on. However those above had a crack at those from 5 years ago, not me, and was simply advising that these people might have been right back then, but they are wrong today. But to simply say these people have always been wrong, and are just out to bitch and moan, every single day, isn’t right. Don’t use a change in market dynamics to throw people under the bus, who now hold an invalid point vs prior. Of course they are all wrong today, and if anyone today carried on that the fleet was going, well they need the head checked.

Mate, yes, its nearly 2024, but back then so many people mentioned that the Jetstar 787 is dead and gone.

Only now we can see who was right or wrong and I finally get to have my say.

No point arguing with such know it all's back then. Only 5 years later we can see now how their knowledge was so full of 5hit.