EBA negotiations...a hypothetical?
 

Imagine an EBA negotiation situation where a long standing member is voted off the committee because the pilot group believes they are out of touch. Then due to pilots moving on to other airlines, spots open up and this pilot is now back on the committee. Then this pilot suddenly becomes the lead negotiator that allegedly no one wanted.

Then imagine if a committee was to conduct negotiations but doesnt provide specific details to the pilot group because they dont want to give anything away to the company. It would be crazy right if they didnt ask the group what they wanted, but instead pushed for changes that could potentially benefit an individual's rank and base the most?

imagine coming to an agreement with the company that means 2am reserves are now a thing, but knowing you will never have to fly that early because your base doesn't operate those flights.

Imagine accepting a duty hours deal that doesn't benefit most bases, but benefits your own base because you historically get more trips per roster. Imagine giving up a 50% increase to the duty hour allowance just so you can get paid while sleeping in a hotel (while most bases do day trips or minimum rest overnights).

Imagine selling out the unborn with three junior FO scales to help fund a 15 year captain scale.

Imagine supporting a type freeze so pilots wont be able to change bases.

Imagine supporting a deal that is going to help the company win the war against those pesky WA pilots.

Are you sure its a hypothetical? Or a rhetorical?

Well it proves the old adage that the world is run by those who turn up.

Rather than complain on here why don’t you get on committee and stop it happening in the first place.

End of the day just vote no

Sounds like similar things that happened with Qantas long haul pilots where said pilot gets a job negotiating for the company.

As scummy and believable as it that sounds, Its ultimately up to the pilot group to vote for or against anything that gets negotiated.

Yup.

You get the Government, or in this case, the EBA you deserve.

The word of the day is: Solidarity

Pay no mind to these naysayers TrashDash - Sunnie's and Eastern's negotiators have overpromised and underdelivered.
As long as 51% of the pilot body don't have rocks for brains you'll have the chance to take the PIA you've always wanted.

Toodle pip!

The majority of the group votes on the EBA, not one person. Sounds like someone has an axe to grind and an anonymous post here is best thing they could think of..

Time to end the old boys club. Imagine belittling FOs who can barely pay their mortgage not to take call ins. Easy to say when you've been on a captain salary for decades, must be good to dial in for pilot updates from overseas trips.

The argument was better FO pay was needed to attract and retain, but then sold them out to fund a higher Captain scale. Multiple FO pay scales just creates more division and anger.

Makes you wonder is Qantas the place to be….

No matter what you think of the negotiators, it is impossible for them to do what you say, they can put forward a new EBA following the process you say but guess what? The pilot body can just vote no! Keep voting No until the pilot body gets what they want, the negotiators can’t just do nasty little back room deals.

Hi TrashDash

Can I suggest you actually talk to someone on the negotiating team as your post is full of inaccuracies.
Rumours and gossip do not serve anyone well.

I signed the contract for the shiny turboprop, with a training bond to start in 6 weeks. Now I have a offer for a shiny jet. Question is if I haven't started yet with the shiny turboprop, can I start on the shiny jet without paying the bond, for the shiny turboprop?

looks pretty accurate and if the council/neg team want to rebut then you know where the reply button is

Yes.

At least with every operator I've been involved in that bonds for training. Afterall, you haven't received any training anyway.

Judging by the crew room discussions and the group chats, memes and videos doing the rounds the last few days, I'd suggest it's actually the union and negotiating team that need to talk to the pilot group.

The view out there is you have not actually listened to what the pilot group wants and you act like you know what's best for all of us. You had one roadshow months ago that didn't cover the specifics of the in-principle deal you've done. You're going to struggle to get this one voted up.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....28d856b9d9.jpg

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f09e6092c6.jpg
Screenshots of one of the videos doing the rounds.

They will steadfastly refuse to engage on any form of social media while running around and blaming it for rumours and misinformation

Easy, vote no.

If anyone is supportive of the recent offer, and brave enough to own up, could you discuss what's good about the offer?

given that complete radio silence has descended again I don't think even the negotiation team are willing to take up your offer