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Icarus2001 18th Jun 2023 12:52


After 100 hours of line experience and they get sent back for the third bar to be sewn on. You can't make this **** up.
​​​​​​​So about six weeks after CTL. Brilliant.

chookcooker 18th Jun 2023 21:34

Clearly sweating the small stuff I see.

Chronic Snoozer 24th Jun 2023 05:57


Virgin Australia says passengers will not suffer service disruptions despite hundreds of the carrier’s licensed engineers gearing up to strike at airports across the country next week over pay and conditions.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...23-p5dj0n.html

MickG0105 10th Oct 2023 12:00

Virgin's FY23 financial statement has been filed with ASIC, and it is nothing to write home about.

With the lowest cost base they'll likely ever achieve, $129.1 million statutory profit from $5 billion in revenue, off of probably the best RASK we'll see for a while.

While Velocity revenue of $330 million off the back of a claimed 11.5 million members looks anaemic, the underlying EBIT of $77 million looks even more so.

And their balance sheet is underwater to the tune of $1.36 billion. That position is in a large part due to Bain recouping their $730 million in acquisition costs, funded by a combination of ratting $430 million from the business's cash reserves together with a $300 million loan. Yes, you have read that correctly - the business took on additional debt in the form of a $300 million bridge loan to partly fund the capital return to Bain. It's good to be the King.

And then there's the statement that

... the Group holds $420.2 million of flight credits that are currently due to expire by 31 December 2023.
The filing date of the report is 21 September and there were statements made by VA subsequently that the expiry of $120 million in COVID credits would be extended to 30 June 2025. That appears to leave $300 million in flight credits that have not been extended past 31 December 2023. Media outrage on that appears to be zero.

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Jack D. Ripper 10th Oct 2023 13:27

In the glamour year of Aviation, the best VA can show up in is an Op shop hand me down.

Not looking good for the years ahead……


Trevor the lover 10th Oct 2023 19:39

Wasted too much money on the pathetic and meaningless "WONDERFUL" campaign. Define wonderful in context of what it was before wonderful. I'd say exactly the same.

Lead Balloon 10th Oct 2023 20:18

After the kicking Qantas got for trying to disappear 'flight credits' by imposing an 'expiry date', can Virgin get away with it?

MickG0105 10th Oct 2023 23:34


Originally Posted by Jack D. Ripper (Post 11518024)
In the glamour year of Aviation, the best VA can show up in is an Op shop hand me down.

Not looking good for the years ahead……

Given that domestic airlines have pocketed probably the easiest revenue they've enjoyed in recent history over the last year, and Virgin's cost base is as low as you're ever likely to see it, that the best they could do was a 6.7 percent margin on an underlying basis has got to be a concern. More so when you consider the amount of pain that has been inflicted on that business.

PoppaJo 11th Oct 2023 01:39

Mick, the HS reported that H1 was $125m and H2 was $4m due to…


Airline insiders put the significantly smaller second half profit down to a “normalisation” of supply and demand, and a major workforce expansion.
Poor operating performance in the last half would be a big driver also, some of the worst performance this company has ever recorded was in the last half. No idea if they have fixed that issue.

MickG0105 11th Oct 2023 02:25


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11518355)
Mick, the HS reported that H1 was $125m and H2 was $4m due to…



Poor operating performance in the last half would be a big driver also, some of the worst performance this company has ever recorded was in the last half. No idea if they have fixed that issue.

I thought that was very odd too and was trying to find Virgin's H1 actuals but I don't think that they are required to file them given they're not listed. A couple of factors likely apply:
  1. H2 is traditionally the weaker half for revenue.
  2. Some businesses don't fully account for all the abnormals and non-cash adjustments in their H1 accounts, rather they all tend to come home to roost in the final report.

Whichever way you slice or dice it, there is nothing compelling in those results. I have no doubt that QAN trading back above $5 is to a large extent because the market has noted that, for all the QF Group's troubles, they really don't have a strong competitor in the domestic market (not coincidentally, Rex is close to flatlining at sub-90 cents).

PoppaJo 11th Oct 2023 04:11

H2 is weak but not that weak. You have three periods of school holidays in the half also. Seems to be a bit weird and certainly has me asking some questions if I was an investor. They acknowledged increased headcount costs, so perhaps it’s just a once off. We won’t likely see another H2 before a float.

Jetstar Domestic recorded about 50% of its profit in the half, Qantas was about 30% in the second half.

Any float would clearly be based on a H1. With the bridging loan due in May 2025, this half is likely the half. Finance Audit in Jan, Roadshows in Feb, public in May.

ebt 11th Oct 2023 04:17

It's weird that their EBIT margin is only 8.8% compared to Qantas's 18% target which they reckon they can keep going for a while. Sure, oil is higher, but it seems that the cost benefits of the administration have not really brought unit costs down. Something is still broken here. The demand environment has probably never been better so they should be reaping more hay while the sun shines brightest. Unless things improve further down the line, potential IPO investors should be wary.

PoppaJo 11th Oct 2023 04:42


Originally Posted by ebt (Post 11518390)
Something is still broken here.

Hopefully they stay away from widebody ops. These numbers don’t entertain a new long haul investment one bit.

43Inches 11th Oct 2023 09:09

Virgin has always struggled in H2. That's why they moved towards attracting business customers as leisure airlines always struggle in the down season from Feb to June, two weeks of school holidays won't prop up a balance sheet over 26 weeks. I think J* making good H2 profits is creative accounting at it's best... QF can have stable profits year round due to their commuter base and business custom, and everything else they have expanded into. And yes if they are still struggling despite the great Covid exhale/escape then next year will be a struggle, considering fuel is going up, leases and rates will be up and the competition for experienced crew has only just started to heat up.


Whichever way you slice or dice it, there is nothing compelling in those results. I have no doubt that QAN trading back above $5 is to a large extent because the market has noted that, for all the QF Group's troubles, they really don't have a strong competitor in the domestic market (not coincidentally, Rex is close to flatlining at sub-90 cents).
Very much depends in the fall out to the groups woes, financially they are fine for now. If the government really rears up to carve into it's effective monopoly of Australia it could be hard times for the group. I can't see them getting any tie ups or buy outs approved in the near future and the small possibility they are forced to offload some subsidiaries, which might finally see J* cut loose, as nothing else would sell for enough or do enough to change market share figures for them. At least then we would see how much mother props up it's silver baby.

Icarus2001 20th Oct 2023 04:49

Behind a paywall...

https://www.afr.com/street-talk/virg...box=1697525024

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ns-2023-10-17/

DAVID MARR manager of the IPO resigns.

SHVC 20th Oct 2023 06:30

Maybe they don’t need an IPO, maybe they have an international buyer that wants Aussie access maybe one that was denied 22 WB slots.

No Idea Either 20th Oct 2023 23:37

SVHC

That has been the crewmour since the beginning of the year, but we are yet to see any actual hard evidence…..

Icarus2001 21st Oct 2023 00:34

We will not see any hard evidence right up to the moment it is announced. Private company, no ASX disclosure rules.

markis10 11th Nov 2023 06:21

XFE finally left PER for KUL this afternoon, a long overdue end to their wide body “experiment”

Stationair8 11th Nov 2023 06:44

IPO second quarter 2024, article in The Weekend Australian Business Section.



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