Never underestimate the level of delusion held by Australian second tier airline and regional airline Executives…

Can you read?

Aircraft Training Captains. Not TRIs. Not Check captains.

So USD$140-160,000 would be AUD$198 - 226,0000. A little below expectations perhaps.

In most parts of the world, an aircraft training captain is a TRI.

yeah, about $150,000-200,000 below. The A-220 is roughly analogous to the 737-300 which is what my current 737-800 pay is based on, And I am a line pilot, no longer a TRI. Anyone doing an airline flying/training job should be on $450K.

Can attest to this. If you are at a group airline and have been placed on the hold file, each month that goes by is another 15 or so (I think?) seniority numbers you will be junior to, with no precise end in sight. Rumour that JQ is only releasing 2 per month so some unable to take other positions within. Another rumour that hiring only from certain over subscribed bases of other internal companies. You are at their whim, QF purgatory.

The solution is so simple: tag and release. Give internals a start date, do 1 day of induction then onto LWOP back to the internal company for X amount of years so they can catch up on recruitment. Nobody would care provided they weren't made to remain at the internal for 5+ years. Makes far more sense than losing a known quantity to the USA or the Middle East.

When I started in the 70s, the right hand seat was the dream job and the airline took care of everything.

My considerable experience since has been that, when the market is flourishing and there are plenty of spare pilots around who aspire to the dizzy heights of an airline job, airlines move the goalposts to increase their demands. Their attitude has always appeared to be that, because they are paying bigger salaries than the average, they are entitled to increase roster periods, max duty hours, forget holiday entitlements and rest time and hammer sh*t out of anybody daft enough to put up with it.
They no longer take responsibility for licence training, newly required type ratings or the necessity for a sensible family existence. THEY MILK IT.

Now the boot is on the other foot and young aspirants are realising that Airline Flying, per se, isn't all it is promoted to be. There are better jobs in the GA market for example, with better-equipped aeroplanes and less-demanding work profiles. The importance too of an apparently attractive airline salary is now less important than some semblance of a home life and a bit of leisure time. I remember being so shagged out at the end of a duty week that I needed just to sleep for virtually the whole rest period just to be fit to start, you've guessed it, on EARLIES again !

There was an occasion in the past that a "single" pilot had been rostered on virtually continuous earlies for SIX months and was then rostered for a very late finish immediately before an annual leave which, by the way, never included weekend days ! They had to be specially requested for a mid fortnight break and sometimes they were never available.
Oh, and just remember this all tends to be cyclical. And while there are shareholders, it will happen again !

BTW, my best pal became an aviation specialist barrister.
Did he envy me ? No. He bought himself a new Baron and flew into the sunset............. :ugh:

It is so cruel what they’re doing to their internals, I’m actually surprised it is not talked about more on here. Unfortunately nothing will change too unless numbers leave in droves - like in 2016 to the UAE. Not to worry though, let's not forget that the company's going to make everything right by offering a ‘Letter of Assurance’. Hopefully it'll be soft, 3 ply, absorbent, and have little seashell patterns on it.

So it’s utter drivel that what I said was not in EA9 but in EA 10 and they are not a lowering of your conditions? Loss of night credits for 4 man crews, really.

had that discussions management today, PSA is paying for.qualified line check captains 200% of base pay first year is about 230k second year with bonus 348usd. A rising tide (should float all boats)

Thoroughly deserved if true! I can’t believe the state of the game now, having left when Ansett collapsed and returning during COVID.

The rot set in years ago with the slow and steady erosion of the profession . Airline managers have regarded pilots as an expendable commodity... they have the delusional idea everyone wants to work for them.
Pilots are not low hanging fruit and it's blatantly obvious the shortage is going to get a lot worse as the competition intensifies and the talent pool dries up.
Covid was the long awaited excuse airline managers had been waiting for to get rid of the top earners under early retirements, or one off redundancy pay-outs. Now fast forward to 2023 airfares are sky high with load factors to match, but airlines are struggling to attract the talent.

The root cause of the issue is the common systemic management agenda to undermine and undervalue the profession whenever and wherever possible.
IMHO airlines don't need more analysts or HR managers they need people who understand the problem and are prepared to stand up and be unpopular with the CEO , CFO and the shareholders - the profession is worth more and it's about time it was recognised .

When other less skilled, in actual skill and or cost of training with a required experience level, employment is paying reasonable to good wages with the big BUT being home more frequent etc the eroded T & C's become a very big issue. Average pay with great T&C's to do the job you love is probably ok for most. Or Great pay with average T&C'c again is probably acceptable for most. But when they are both average than that bus driving job becomes attractive. It is not rocket science and has been proven that paying your employees more brings about an increase in production, higher morale, and an increase in applications.

Out of curiosity, what other airlines pay night credits other than QF380/330?

Night credits at QF were never about flying at night. They were introduced as a work around pay rise during the wages accord between the Hawke goverment and the ACTU in the 80s. But you knew that Dragon didn’t you.

You are not correct they were introduced in the 1960s when Qantas pilots took strike action for a Nth American award. They were actually higher but were reduced when the 747 came into service. To get around the wages accord and the domestic pilots dispute the 400 was given its pay rise by using overtime.

73 positions vacant at Jetstar as of right now? Lol

Parking jets because there’s no drivers is coming to a town near you.

Don’t worry, the QF cadets are coming to save the day apparently. :}

Yep, definitely a better option then treating people with respect and perhaps offering competitive terms and conditions 🙄. Typical clueless jetstar.
If you have any better options, why would you come here.

Looks like FO monthly hours will be going up. I'm going to have to call in sick even more.

Day 1 Ground School: “when’s the mainline EOI coming out?”