Airlines in Aus feeling the pinch
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Airlines in Aus feeling the pinch
I’ve started to hear rumours that airlines in Aus are really starting to feel the pinch of a pilot shortage big time. The traditional space shuttle requirements and interview processes that Australian airlines once demanded evidently are not holding up anymore and it’s becoming interesting observing the airlines deal with the shortage.
Qantas Link direct entry hold files are drying up big time (probably due to the fact that Qantas hasn’t taken anybody from any QF subsidiary airline that wasn’t on hold from pre covid).
Rex now taking any pilot with a bit of multi and no longer care about ATPL subjects - probably a smart move if you ask me.
JQ now looking at people that have single engine time for direct entry, hold file now down to single digit numbers - if any. XLR pushed back until 2026 due pilot numbers.
QF mainline is playing the pilot job market, now about to walk a fine line as their hold file filled with eligible expats or FO’s/captains from other jet operators within Australia prepared to sacrifice seniority to become a second officer starts to dwindle… All whilst the anger from internals being held back from a start date and zero communication starts to pent up…
VA now getting to the bottom of their recall of the seniority list. They too will be looking at hiring from the very small pool of experienced pilots still in GA but not happy with where they were at.
US operators still actively swooping many and any Aussie pilot with experience and whacking them straight on serious USD$$$ with nothing but positive sentiments coming from anyone that has left for there.
Cobham aviation now paying for Facebook advertising to try and recruit pilots?? Imagine that 5 years ago? They wouldn’t have to do more than post a single ad on the AFAP pilot job page without getting triple digit applicants.
God knows where the usual known shyster operators such as Skippers are at with pilot recruitment.
If the job market stays like this for another 12 months ++ things could get extremely interesting.
One would have to imagine that this truly is a time for pilots in Australia to get significantly better terms and conditions written into their contracts. May the force be with any pilot bodies negotiating contracts right now. There hasn’t been a better time for us in recent years.
Qantas Link direct entry hold files are drying up big time (probably due to the fact that Qantas hasn’t taken anybody from any QF subsidiary airline that wasn’t on hold from pre covid).
Rex now taking any pilot with a bit of multi and no longer care about ATPL subjects - probably a smart move if you ask me.
JQ now looking at people that have single engine time for direct entry, hold file now down to single digit numbers - if any. XLR pushed back until 2026 due pilot numbers.
QF mainline is playing the pilot job market, now about to walk a fine line as their hold file filled with eligible expats or FO’s/captains from other jet operators within Australia prepared to sacrifice seniority to become a second officer starts to dwindle… All whilst the anger from internals being held back from a start date and zero communication starts to pent up…
VA now getting to the bottom of their recall of the seniority list. They too will be looking at hiring from the very small pool of experienced pilots still in GA but not happy with where they were at.
US operators still actively swooping many and any Aussie pilot with experience and whacking them straight on serious USD$$$ with nothing but positive sentiments coming from anyone that has left for there.
Cobham aviation now paying for Facebook advertising to try and recruit pilots?? Imagine that 5 years ago? They wouldn’t have to do more than post a single ad on the AFAP pilot job page without getting triple digit applicants.
God knows where the usual known shyster operators such as Skippers are at with pilot recruitment.
If the job market stays like this for another 12 months ++ things could get extremely interesting.
One would have to imagine that this truly is a time for pilots in Australia to get significantly better terms and conditions written into their contracts. May the force be with any pilot bodies negotiating contracts right now. There hasn’t been a better time for us in recent years.
While I hope what you wrote is all true, I should point out that the XLR has to have design changes due to the fire risk of the rear centre tank. The most optimistic estimate is that will take about a year, then the certification testing can be completed. I don’t see any deliveries much before late 2025 anyway.
I think apart from QF if you want to work somewhere throw in an application whether you meet the minimums or not. Pretty sure places like Rex will most likely have a serious look at anyone. QF you still have to get through HRs hurdles so unlikely they'd look at non compliant applications.
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At what stage do you think REX would start considering people with 250 hours ? If they haven't already. Rumours telling me they are hemorrhaging staff to qlink interesting to see when they drop their requirements.
Don't worry, as has happened for the last 50 years the impending pilot shortage will be nicely countered by another global shock of some sort. For as long as I can remember EVERY big hiring push has been closely followed by a Dot Com bust, Sep 11, GFC, Covid, War in Europe or massive global recession.
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Originally Posted by ziggerz
At what stage do you think REX would start considering people with 250 hours ? If they haven't already. Rumours telling me they are hemorrhaging staff to qlink interesting to see when they drop their requirements.
Covid, War in Europe or massive global recession.
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I still maintain there is NO pilots shortage. Just a shortage of pilots willing to work for low pay and conditions. The apparent shortage can be remedied overnight by fixing the aforementioned.
Australia has 1000s of expat pilots overseas that would come how if this significantly improved. There is one person responsible for the previous 10 years of downwards pay and conditions, and he sits at the head of Coward St. Unfortunately upper level management are to ignorant to see.
Australia has 1000s of expat pilots overseas that would come how if this significantly improved. There is one person responsible for the previous 10 years of downwards pay and conditions, and he sits at the head of Coward St. Unfortunately upper level management are to ignorant to see.
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I still maintain there is NO pilots shortage. Just a shortage of pilots willing to work for low pay and conditions. The apparent shortage can be remedied overnight by fixing the aforementioned.
Australia has 1000s of expat pilots overseas that would come how if this significantly improved. There is one person responsible for the previous 10 years of downwards pay and conditions, and he sits at the head of Coward St. Unfortunately upper level management are to ignorant to see.
Australia has 1000s of expat pilots overseas that would come how if this significantly improved. There is one person responsible for the previous 10 years of downwards pay and conditions, and he sits at the head of Coward St. Unfortunately upper level management are to ignorant to see.
A few mates in businesses that hire a few on the low end say it is becoming a poaching market for casuals, with some industries sniping each others staff. That being said, those that have always looked after their staff, even pickers get the same people back each year to do the job with no issues.
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
Don't worry, as has happened for the last 50 years the impending pilot shortage will be nicely countered by another global shock of some sort. For as long as I can remember EVERY big hiring push has been closely followed by a Dot Com bust, Sep 11, GFC, Covid, War in Europe or massive global recession.
“There is one person responsible for the previous 10 years of downwards pay and conditions, and he sits at the head of Coward St. Unfortunately upper level management are to ignorant to see.”
The Irishman sowed the seeds , AIPA watered them then the pilots harvested them by voting them up.Who can believe a union would go to court to fight a C scale that they told the pilots to vote for. Voting for 23.5 hour TOD for 4 pilots and removing night credits so you can work 30% more hours per bid period. All self inflicted.
The Irishman sowed the seeds , AIPA watered them then the pilots harvested them by voting them up.Who can believe a union would go to court to fight a C scale that they told the pilots to vote for. Voting for 23.5 hour TOD for 4 pilots and removing night credits so you can work 30% more hours per bid period. All self inflicted.
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“There is one person responsible for the previous 10 years of downwards pay and conditions, and he sits at the head of Coward St. Unfortunately upper level management are to ignorant to see.”
The Irishman sowed the seeds , AIPA watered them then the pilots harvested them by voting them up.Who can believe a union would go to court to fight a C scale that they told the pilots to vote for. Voting for 23.5 hour TOD for 4 pilots and removing night credits so you can work 30% more hours per bid period. All self inflicted.
The Irishman sowed the seeds , AIPA watered them then the pilots harvested them by voting them up.Who can believe a union would go to court to fight a C scale that they told the pilots to vote for. Voting for 23.5 hour TOD for 4 pilots and removing night credits so you can work 30% more hours per bid period. All self inflicted.
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Qantas psychometric testing is helping North American operators to record profits and could push up Australia’s T&C’s for regional airlines . ( yes , I failed it 😂
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If QF psych tested their upper level management they wouldn't have a board!
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Possibly 25ish years ago read an article ( too long ago to recall which magazine) forecasting a pilot shortage. This was based on lowering requirements for employment with a major airline. From 1000 hrs PIC to 800 with 500 being looked at. The major concern here was safety. Where once experience was gained on regionals with a history of having pilots for x amount of time before departing said regional. The lowering of hours meant less experience. Not an overt issue with the majors having experience in the cockpit to train the newbies but an issue with the regionals which would eventually impact all. Ollie is right. 9/11 stalled that issue as did the GFC etc. The expanding industry caused that issue. Now it may well be an expanding industry again but there can be little doubt that the desirability for a career as a pilot has diminished as well. Pherhaps more attractive package's may help correct that.
It's my understanding that most P2's on the 717 fleet have jumped state-side. Is this true.
Pay and conditions seem to have stagnated is Oz over the last few years while airfares are at record high, someone's making money and it's not the crews !
Pay and conditions seem to have stagnated is Oz over the last few years while airfares are at record high, someone's making money and it's not the crews !
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Originally Posted by Impress to inflate
It's my understanding that most P2's on the 717 fleet have jumped state-side. Is this true.
Pay and conditions seem to have stagnated is Oz over the last few years while airfares are at record high, someone's making money and it's not the crews !
Pay and conditions seem to have stagnated is Oz over the last few years while airfares are at record high, someone's making money and it's not the crews !
As long as shareholders / dividends win happy days!
Originally Posted by dragon man
The Irishman sowed the seeds , AIPA watered them then the pilots harvested them by voting them up.Who can believe a union would go to court to fight a C scale that they told the pilots to vote for. Voting for 23.5 hour TOD for 4 pilots and removing night credits so you can work 30% more hours per bid period. All self inflicted.
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Are they serious to be offering up to $160k for a jet TRI, when local (US) companies are offering that for line crew. A SAAB trainer in Rex can earn more, and yes allowing for USD conversion. Not sure who in their right mind would accept that. Unless they like working for companies that profit billions and pay you a pittance. No wonder they class them only 3.8 stars, hope that's out of ten though.
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Now it may well be an expanding industry again but there can be little doubt that the desirability for a career as a pilot has diminished as well. Pherhaps more attractive package's may help correct that.
