Messy afternoon at NZAA
 

Looks like there's some runway debris that's got to be cleaned up. All arrivals in holds around the area.

Update: Some arrivals now diverting to Christchurch and Wellington. Looks like there's heavy rain and flooding throughout the Auckland area.

it looks horrendous…let’s hope there’s plenty of hotel rooms in CHC.

It's a pity 05L isn't available

An Air NZ 777 took out a number of edge lights around the touchdown area........ allegedly.

1news.co.nz
"7.19pm: Auckland Airport has been forced to reduce runway operations "after an arriving aircraft damaged runway lighting", a spokesperson for the airport told 1News."This is largely impacting international arrivals and departures and larger aircraft travelling domestically. Our operational teams have cleared the debris and are now assessing the damage.

"We apologise to any travellers impacted. Please contact your airline or check your airline travel app if you are travelling for any flight cancellations or delays.""

NZ124

The diversions are ongoing - QF147, NZ126 both diverted to CHC.

B0546/23 Jan 27, 2023 08:08 LT
New
NZAA
RWY 05R/23L CLSD TO SKED PASSENGER ARRIVING FLIGHTS. 27 JAN 08:08 2023 UNTIL
27 JAN 11:00 2023 ESTIMATED. CREATED: 27 JAN 08:08 2023

B0544/23 Jan 27, 2023 07:37 LT
New
NZAA
RWY 05R 110.3 MHZ 'IAA' ILS U/S. 27 JAN 07:37 2023 UNTIL 28 JAN 05:00 2023 ESTIMATED.
CREATED: 27 JAN 07:37 2023

Flooding through the terminal to make things worse.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/trave...-runway-lights

This is why you shouldn't skip leg day, lads!

NZAA still closed for pax ops

That can't be open for a while. Weeks?

Tomorrow morning for international.

Already open for domestic

Air NZ 777 Loss of control
 

Quite a serious incident for Air NZ by the looks of it.


AO-2023-003 Boeing 777, loss of control on the ground, Auckland International Airport, 27 January 2023
Status
Current
Occurrence Date
27 Jan 2023
Jurisdiction
NZ
The reported circumstances were that a New Zealand-registered Boeing 777 was on a scheduled flight (NZ124) from Melbourne to Auckland. The aircraft landed at about 6:50pm at Auckland International Airport during wind gusts and very heavy rain.

Shortly after touchdown, the pilot briefly lost directional control and the aircraft veered away from the runway centreline. The pilot regained control, completed the landing, and taxied the aircraft to the airport terminal.
There was damage reported to six runway edge lights and to the aircraft’s undercarriage assembly, including deflation of one tyre.

No injuries to passengers or crew were reported.

Sounds similar to a Qatar 777 incident that occurred in Brisbane in similar weather.

This may explain the 777 incident - all happens very fast!


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....35073b8e72.png

Any delays in processing passengers? The infrastructure for the planes is going to be designed to withstand any weather. Not so much the people processing gear. I would have thought that would take more time to get up and running after a flood.

Yes - the common user check in and baggage systems have become degraded and are unlikely to be back to "normal" until next week

All Auckland schools to close for a week.

Yep, stable door and bolting horse springs to mind.

I notice the union was in the media very upset about the initial comments by TAIC when they said ‘the pilot lost control’. I would hate to think that when they took out 360m worth of edge lighting shortly after the flare they were actually ‘in control’. No it may be that there is NO FAULT on the pilots that led to being ‘out of control’ but the statement seems to be irrefutable.

Latest from the union

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...MCCR4BC6MND3Q/

I briefly lost directional control in about 25 knots of crosswind, vacated the runway, got the bastard back under control and got it back on the runway. There was quite a bit of puckering going on. The puckering must have been substantial in the 777.

Likewise, I remember touching the breaks on a very wet runway doing about 40 kts in anticipation of a 90 degree exit. The aircraft slid on some touchdown markings and for about 5 seconds the aircraft sailed straight on past the exit out of my control with the tiller turned. It was a very uncomfortable feeling and we would have been off the end if it was the end exit. That scared the crap out of me so I can imagine the feeling as you scramble to keep a plane the size of a 777 on the runway,

Skidding does not necessarily mean that the PF has lost control - they might well be doing everything correctly in the circumstances to control the skid and bring the aircraft back to the centreline.

Having said that; commencing a landing in such extreme rain ??? That seems to me to be the real problem here.

True!

QF, 747, Heavy rain; Golf,

If the aircraft is not doing what you wanted it to, you’ve lost control.

When a rally car four wheel drifts round a forest corner on loose gravel, has the driver lost control ?? Or are they controlling it very well ?

oouch …BKK

Drifting a 777 and taking out 360 odd meters of lights and calling yourself “all under total control”.

To be honest I’m not sure if your post was sarcasm or not?

That depends in whether they are deliberately taking out the Armco and tyre bundles on the corner or not, or in this case the edge lights, what's your point?

The investigator didn’t follow protocol when commenting to the media, hence ALPA’s response.

Unofficially, through the usual crew room gossip, I’ve been told there was no Runway condition reported other than “wet” when they landed. Heavy rain and crosswind yes, but all within limits for a wet runway. Had it been reported contaminated with standing water, I suspect the outcome would have been different..

Regardless, simply stating the Pilot lost control absent of any contributing factors is rather unprofessional for an investigator. Aren’t all Accidents a case of lost control? Outside of the deliberate…. Facts matter.

No, not sarcasm. If an aircraft has deviated owing to the environment, but PF reacts and controls the situation to correct that skid, I personally would not characterise that as "losing control".

Like with an EFATO or EFBTO; the aircraft initially yaws significantly until PF gets the rudder in - I would not call that losing control.

Perhaps this incident was a bit more severe though.

Once again I’m not sure you’re grasping the reality of the situation.

Since the PF is required to be able to actually see the runway they're landing on, if he/she can't see the runway because it's under water, don't you think a go-around might have resulted in a better outcome?? At very least their jet blast might have cleared the water.

Familiarity, resulting in pushing just that little bit too hard/far, has been the cause of many a Code Brown (and worse). The same folks would probably happily drive at high speed through standing water on their way to the airport, never thinking that one day they might need to be rescued. :hmm:

PiperCameron, stay in ya lane mate :ok:

Who said they couldn’t see the runway?
You do know the difference between Wet and Contaminated right? Why we have runway condition and braking action reports and how they apply to landing performance calculations and crosswind limits?
That it’s impossible to determine the depth of water from the cockpit which is why the runway condition is reported on the ATIS? And when the Atis says “wet” it means less than 3mm of water?
And finally, you do realise that the runway wasn’t submerged like the lost city of Atlantis and would of been lit up like a Christmas tree in those conditions?

Tell me you don’t do the job without telling me you don’t do the job.

I was speaking generally, but fair enough; I wasn't in the cockpit. Were you?