You might want to look up the difference between weather and climate...

AFR article - The ugly truth about Alan Joyce

Behind a paywall

New to the subject eh, Wizofoz…:hmm:

If yer believe the scientists WX is related to climate. When talking about global warming, the climate, one then might cover the WX ‘associations’.




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Richard Goyder said that ‘despite what some say, Alan does have a heart’. That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard yet, and also the most revolting thing I have heard. Alan cares about Alan, his own personal wealth, and Shane Lloyd. That’s it. He couldn’t give a tuppence about anything else, or anyone else. To insinuate that he does, is plain farcical.

Chair Peeps are just side jobs, or retirement jobs. Aim is to hold about two or three at once. How many chair’s does the Virgin CEO hold? How can one run such a business yet oversee all that other stuff? Who could forget, the business collapsing during peak strains and she is in the Royal box at Wimbledon attending to her other chair responsibilities.

Bryan at Virgin was another. CEO ran rampant, did nothing. Yet when it all collapsed, threw him under the bus on Four Corners? Goyder at Wesfarmers, had the Target CEO doing all sorts of shifty **** with the numbers, now he never sacked him, he sacked himself.

The only way Alan will go is if he sacks himself. His departure will be on his watch and his financials. The chair is just a puppet.

2 peas in a pod there! Both telling each other what a great job they do whilst lining their own pockets & living in a fantasy world.

But noting trends in climate is NOT "predicting the weather:"

Weather is the atmospheric conditions at a particular time, climate is the weather trend/average over a period of time. Weather over time is the climate and climate can then be used to predict the weather. If the Weather starts to significantly change from the expected climate you are then experiencing climate change. If you have enough climatic trend data you can extrapolate that into the future and make a prediction of future climate patterns and therefore expected weather.

Not really, Next summer will be hotter than next winter. That's climate. What the weather will be like in Toowoomba on 23rd November 2023 is anyone's guess,

You are talking about a prediction. Weather is what it is at a particular time, so on the 23rd November 2021 (at 3pm) it was 20C in Toowoomba, overcast, 100% humid with a moderate easterly. The climate is listed as a warm humid subtropical climate. As for the climate trend November has temperature avg for Nov of 23' max to 15' lows with 8 days of rainfall. So a loose prediction (of weather) without actual precis information I could say on the 23rd Nov 2023 it will likely be around 19-27C, odds will be favoring on an easterly wind 15-25 kph, humidity 80-100% with likely cloud 4/8 to overcast and the chance of a storm around that date likely, rain around 25% chance.

Also if you say next summer will be hotter you are stating a change in the climate year on year, although over 100 years it could be part of a stable climate cycle.

Caused by what?

You are new to the subject..;)

Re the BoM: The last 100 years of daily WX recordings are utilised in the making of the record of climate. The BoM have WX records that go back much further, but they are hotter and very ‘inconvenient’.

The WX records of the last 100 years are ‘adjusted’, fed into a computer program that gives out the same answer no matter what info is inputted, and then out comes the climate record and future climate predictions. If you believe the BoM one can then glean the WX associations - eg, the WX will on average steadily get warmer at a particular location.

In the past on Pprune I have covered my dealings with the corrupt Blair Trewin. https://theconversation.com/profiles/blair-trewin-3692. To repeat one incident: During ‘discussions’ on the now defunct WXzone forum covering the very hot temperature records of the Victorian bush fires of 1851 Trewin made the claim that there were no official WX station in Melbourne and that whatever temperature reading that were recorded in the newspapers of the time were from thermometers located on the back veranda of houses under a hot tin roof. A simple google search showed, via the government gazette, that there were indeed an official WX station in Melbourne. More searching showed roofing iron had only just been invented so bugger-all hot tin roofs. So much for our Australian BoM climate expert who is deeply involved in building the global warming hysteria…:hmm:







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This in theory is correct, there was a weather station in Melbourne, it was properly equipped with devices of the day and thermometers were mounted in locations that provided consistent ambient readings. However that station shut down during 1851 and a new station in the same location not officially operating until 1858. So there are no reliable records from 1851 to 1858.

Again 1851 is an odd point to pick as it's just as the Iron pre-fabs were just starting to arrive in Melbourne. Houses made completely of Iron and shipped from the UK to Victoria for makeshift housing for the goldrush. The buildings were completely wrong for the Australian climate, but about 3 still exist today. I can't get an exact date of the first arrival, but there was around 100 existing by 1855. Corrugated iron was indeed new technology, but that was during the 1830s, by the 1850s it was being mass produced for pre-fab items and shipped to places like Australia, and had already been shipped to California by the late 1840s. So the idea of an iron veranda being a thing during the 1850s is quite plausible.

The ugly truth about Alan Joyce article here, don't know if it's the same as the one behind the paywall mentioned above.

https://latest.worabia.com/the-ugly-...-joyce/270634/

From memory my research showed there were three prefab houses in Melbourne in 1851. There is a lot of literature about Melbourne roofing of the period as a lot of houses burnt down back then because of the roofing materials used. Apart from being either brush, wood, or tiles many of the houses also had a very flammable insulation. I very much doubt, somebody of the period able to afford a thermometer, would be placing it under a hot tin roof. Thermometers of the period were a fairly expensive item and were generally bought by governments or ‘enthusiasts’ who would likely have understood the requirements relating to the readings given by the placement of a thermometer.

I would like to see your links to the claims made referring to the official Melbourne government met station…:)





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https://lindenashcroft.com/2015/06/2...-in-melbourne/

That's a nice little run down. I was mistaken about the date without an official station, it was between 1851 and 1855, in 1855 it resumed recordings at the same site. It changed locations in 1857/58 which was my error in dates.

I completely agree with that, those involved with meteorological study were wealthy and very keen on the subject and generally were aware of the basics of use and where to take measurements. The measurements were not 100% accurate though but they would have been close to actuals so that you have an idea of what the climate was like. There is also a lot of written accounts from the gazettes and papers of the day, there's a link to a gazette describing the 1849 snowfall in Melbourne, that was obviously not a hot year, however the piece makes out it was a one off strange event in otherwise 'agreeable' weather.

I could have sworn last Monday's 4 Corners wasn't about the climate and weather...

If you want to talk about environmental issues ask the question why the Qantas Group is adding over 50,000+ fully recyclable plastic bottles to Australian Landfill every day.

Recycling has only been available in Australia for the last 30 years…

I was thinking the same thing, Leady.:hmm:

Can we return to the subject please, you lot?