NO thanks ! I can see the reality, thats why I am here for lifestyle and stability not glamour.

Give me the old Fokker's long term stable resources contracts, over white Caps, rainbow propaganda, frustrating staff travel and wage freezes.

The TWU has penned a submission to the ACCC expressing its grave concerns on the acquisition. Does anyone know if the AFAP has done the same?

Out of interest - what grave concerns did the TWU express?

I can’t see the QF acquisition of Alliance changing the aviation dynamic much in this country.

Alliance’s terms and conditions are nothing to cry home about and essentially QF would just use Alliance to play off other work groups just as they are doing with Network / NJS / Qlink etc. Whilst that sort of IR strategy is deplorable, QF acquiring QQ is hardly going to change it all that much.

I see Rex have written a submission to the ACCC in support of the QF acquisition.

And from a Virgin pilots perspective, maybe this outcome wouldn’t be too bad as it may force VA to look at accelerating options to bring back in house some of the outsourced flying (which from recent announcements looks to be increasing over the next 12 months anyway).

Well it certainly kills the pilot labour market. No wonder Rex are keen on removing any serious competition on that front.

Rex are ok with QF buying QQ aren’t they? So what’s the latest on the purchase or not?

They will announce the final decision on the 17th November.

I wonder what the hidden agenda is over at Rex land for throwing support behind this deal. Seems like they don’t want to upset QQ. I assume Alliance gives NJE engineering and spare parts support. Gotta keep that line open I guess.

Rex out in the leasing market looking for 10 more B737’s

ACCC decision was pushed back to 1/Dec/2022.

https://www.accc.gov.au/public-regis...iance-airlines

QF Buys QQ they stop doing VA work then REX is hoping to fill the Void, my guess!!

I was going to add similar, never think the competition is doing you a favor by supporting you. There's always an angle that will benefit them somehow.

Rex will do what works for Rex, not what works for the entire market, or what is in the best interest of consumers. They seem to take the same approach with its employees also.

NJE have their own engineering and spare parts arrangement for the E190. Have done so since day one I believe.

REX are ok with the QF/QQ tie up provided access to the the E190/Q400 simulator remains available for NJE and are supposedly in discussions to have a second E190 or Q400 sim located at their own sim centre in SYD along side the Saab and 737 sims in stead of BNE or MEL.

There are other reasons as well but that was one of the main ones that I recall from The recent town hall with Rex/NJE management.

Delayed again until March. What’s the holdup?

https://www.accc.gov.au/public-regis...iance-airlines

Likely intrigued by Rex and it’s late supportive submission (cough cough hidden agenda) vs everyone else who was not supportive.

If the steady stream of pilots leaving Alliance, from both fleets, is not stemmed they will have problems meeting contract obligations.

I think they were hoping to mask that issue (along with others) and hand ball it on to QF. The longer the decision drags on the more difficult it’s becoming to maintain the coat of polish.

Are they still running the E-Jets Adelaide to Hobart?

Seasonal only. Jetstar is now all year round. I understand both will run over the holiday period.

I believe the Fokker guys in Brisbane have just realised what sort of bad position they are in! Good luck guys.

Thanks, PoppaJo.

Care to elaborate?

Let people keep leaving all the carriers- mainly Network, Alliance, Cobham etc for the States or Virgin and Qantas, it'll have to drive up salaries and conditions for those that are still there surely? Not to say they're bad, but there is always room for improvement?

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So if this goes through is it little wonder Mainline drivers aren't so warm and fuzzy to other subsidiaries in the coffee shops around the country

Subsidiaries (excluding JQ)
F100 54
A220 29
A320 24
E190 63

Mainline
A321XLR 20

:mad:

how juvenile!

all require pilots and F/A’s. Try being happy instead of being interested in yourself

Are those two things mutually exclusive? I don’t think so.

I can’t say I’ve seen too many mainline crew being less than at least polite and cordial to others in coffee shops… I’m not saying the opposite hasn’t happened on occasion, however.

In any case the number of aircraft mentioned above (most of which will be doing QF group flying) shows that there has been, and will continue to be, fairly enormous growth outside of, and to a large extent at the expense of, both Mainline contracts. Growth that in the not so distant past would probably have, at least partially, gone to expanding Mainline.

Mainline crews sit by and watch, as announcement after announcement of ‘new’ acquisitions of 20-30 year old aircraft happen while they see promotional prospects blow out by (even more) years. Their aircraft are retired with no, or fewer replacements.

So it’s completely understandable why some who are interested in themselves and their career prospects may not be that ‘happy’ about it, and not should they have to be.

Yep, there’s two sides to every story. It’s ironic when there’s such a shortage of experienced pilots that those individuals in their ivory towers cannot see the wheat from the chaff.
The professions T&C’s have been eroded during Covid, but it’s time for those smart Harvard business school alumni to look a little further ahead - hopefully beyond their KPI end of year bonuses.

Go back to your office you desk jockey

So they require another 200-300 pilots in the next 2 years to cater for this fleet upgrade. Considering the crewing challenges, and retention challenges they are having now, how is that even achievable?

Same thing happened with the ground handling. Give Swissport the contract, who in return have no staff and no ability to even come close to servicing the contract to some form of bare minimum, and naturally it just falls apart soon after.

Yes, interesting to watch all these 'new' aircraft purchases used to expand Qantas group domestic flying, but mainline are only getting a small piece of the pie. The subsidiaries attract many new pilots as they are lead to believe it's their pathway to mainline, but will things change when they realise mainline domestic expansion is a thing of the past? Will the current 25 years to captain at mainline extend to 30 or 35 years? Will that reduce the number of pilots attracted to use the subsidiaries as a stepping stone? I think so

Rumour is they’re repainting the 380s with QantasLink branding and renaming the company.

Nah, they'd just use a decal with the word Link. It's cheaper.

Majority of these aircraft will be reduced to spares to support the other E190’s.

maybe mainline pilots are starting to get it.

the pincer manoeuvre that began with NJS undercutting Ansett pilots in the 1990’s has spread to infect mainline careers.

Now that King David is abdicating, Judas will struggle under a new king.

Meanwhile, the dark pervasive influence of the dynamic duo will endure,

But so long as the untouchables on the seniority list maintain their luxury and the cash band plays the titanic floats on

​​​​​​​Rubbish.

If they can squeeze a contract out of them, which I bet you they will, you better believe they will be airborne and flying for Q or someone.

Right now subsidaries are a pathway to other carriers, couple thousand hours command and then off to a more lucrative overseas job (couple thousand Airbus command and could be straight into LHS in ME on an A350 or A380).

A lot of contracts require time on jets above 50t MTOW. The MTOW of the E190? 51.8t........

It's like the US but without the Scope Clause protections = Disaster from the top down (read Mainline to second last group). The last group become the newest scapegoats - who will be called names by those higher up - until over time, yet another group with even lower barriers to entry (read $'s) get sucked in...and so the cycle continues.

Good Luck!

There are a number of ex Alliance pilots who spent many years in the company and with significant command time on F100 and Airbus who have returned to Oz with no intention of returning overseas even though they are well placed to join large carriers. Although these pilots have applied to Alliance they have not been contacted. So they can't be a shortage.

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Yawn TBM ... I'm very happy thank you for the concern. Not point rehashing what others after my post have already said so well. If you can't see it then thats puerile.

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Are Alliance Ejet pilots still on personal contracts? No EBA? Sounds a bit like Work-choices.

I thought they were under another EBA? Bravo?