Look at the US with the great resignation. Airlines offering ridiculous salaries for pilots because people decided to walk out of the industry. Many other industries having to bolster pay to entice new blood. I hope there is change in Aus but I feel we're too selfish and apathetic to change it.

As a pilot with Qantas you have my support. What I find completely disgusting is this moral vacuum pervading management during a time of fractious, difficult human emotional toll. If this company purports to be Australian then it should acknowledge that the last two years have been nothing short of very difficult for most. Only a war would be more confrontational in my view. How is it that the F/As have been singled out by the CEO and made an example of because they had the audacity to oppose a deal that wasn’t in Qantas’ best interest. I’ve sat and listened to those that with me were incarcerated at Howard National Disgrace Springs for several weeks in order to eek out a living worrying about where their lives were headed, whilst the fuc*wits in Sydney were hell bent on how to screw them over given the first opportunity. Corporate arseholes no less.

The face of Qantas is it’s Cabin Crew. Yep the ones that have to kowtow to all sorts of petulant trumped up frequent flyers using points thinking that they’re so special and yet this company in its wisdom chooses to put the boot in at the lowest point. Congratulations Qantas, you bunch of pricks ( my opinion) for illustrating just how low a corporate can go. Whether you believe the T&Cs are justified doesn’t matter. What you should be addressing is the corporate thuggery from Qantas.

Treat people with dignity and intelligence and the company might be rewarded yet here we are back in the 70s engaged in an ideological anti union bashing campaign spear headed by a farmer from NZ ffs.

Ive worked on minimum wage and know what it’s like to have your personal dignity ripped from underneath. If the last two years has taught me anything it’s that personal dignity and self worth are paramount as absolutes that require defending beyond money or a corporate non entity the likes of Qantas. It’s not a person. It doesn’t think. It has no morality or ethics and neither do the people that believe they’re leaders within this bull**** corporate spinning paradigm. End of rant.

Worthy rant Troo B. .. many hits of nails on heads. Sadly, these days, the pool of decent human being managers is very small .

Well said, as a group we need everyone to see this and reflect on their engagement with the company.

"The face of Qantas is it’s Cabin Crew. Yep the ones that have to kowtow to all sorts of petulant trumped up frequent flyers using points thinking that they’re so special " Wow True B good thing you aren't part of the cabin crew if that is your attitude to the customers. :) You may not have been down back for a while but here is some news. Almost nobody has been able to use Qantas FF for years and most people had millions of points racked up that eventually time expired. They can be exchanged for a toaster however. Qantas FF points are a net negative for the airline now because the fact that they are plainly designed not to be used just builds more resentment among the demographic it should be targeting. The people you are flying almost always paid for their tickets unless they are public "servants" who I assume are obligated to fly Qantas.

It is incredible i think that to date the cabin crew on Qantas have been so professional under the circumstances. Well done to all of those.

He is pretty well spot on as you say,there is no respect from so called managers & execs who have clearly forgotten where they have come from whether it be a farm or from 1 of the worst suburbs of a major city in the emerald isle.
I once heard an ex workmate sum it up pretty well by saying 'we love the job we do but we have no respect for the company that employs us'

What the. I don't even know where to start with this.

In other news, I'm enjoying Qantas declaring war on their workers under the auspices of 'COVID', whilst simultaneously giving themselves massive pay rises.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5dd744f948.png

I guess this means the 'Qantas 3% wage policy" no longer applies right?! Pop the Champaign everyone, 26.5% pay rises are coming for all of us!

Is that the "Spirit of Australia" ... Would you like to be a soldier at war if these fine upstanding people were the military commanders?

Rex almost gave the same pay increase to their board. Within 1% of Qantas!

Absolutely disgusting, while most of the frontline staff have their pays frozen, stood down on job keeper... if there lucky not to get made redundant.

What's a "CEO QANTAS Loyalty"?

Frequent Flyer program - the only part of the business that consistently turned a profit.

How profitable would it be in the absence of the parts of the business that fly aeroplanes?

Where you might want to start with the executive remuneration summary is the pre-pandemic report.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2053cf14b9.jpg

I know that it doesn't fit the "26.5% pay rises" narrative but it clearly shows that none of the executives have had an increase in their remuneration at all; to the contrary they have all taken pay cuts.

Just think how much money they'd make if they didn't have these pesky aircraft, cabin crew and pilot's to pay etc.

That's why AJ was out spruiking that QF management needed to increase salary to keep staff in the middle of Billions of losses. They had cut some deal for swapping salary for shares during the pandemic but obviously they are maneuvering for more.

Pay me 5x my normal salary a couple of years in a row and I’ll happily revert to my normal salary the following year and then take a 26.5% pay rise the year after.

Well boo friggin hoo, paycut to 1.7million is still $4778 a day, assuming he works 365days a year... while most of the workforce is on $750 a week struggling to put food on the table.

As have the staff since 2019 and in most cases a significantly greater percentage pay cut than the executive (but you can do anything with statistics).

You can also do anything on $30k a week!

This could be a segue from the French revolution. A gold coin contribution from every shafted worker should be sufficient to acquire one or more working guillotines, a few spare blades and some chains. Not sure about Popcorn.

5 grand a day to help run a airline. The same person puts his mother into an aged care home and the person that looks after her gets about $23.00 an hour. Puts a lot into perspective really.

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I think the Hong Konger’s will be taking up supply for the next little while

QF agrees to mediation in cabin crew dispute

https://australianaviation.com.au/20...zGrYu9_D3n7cVI

However just about anybody could work in aged care. Not everyone can or wants to run an airline.

On saying that though QF never really test the CEO or executive job market. It's all just "jobs for the boys".

Agreed. Hopefully one day the Qantas group find someone who can.

The 1 comment made at the end of this article is so true,he continually wants to provoke his workers & treat them as if they owe him something.
The execs at QF have no idea what respect means & is 1 of the main reasons why the workforce has such a low opinion of their managers who continually try to use every trick in the book to lower conditions & pay whilst at the same time continually tell everyone what a great job they do.

I firmly believe not everyone can or wants to work in aged care. It is a brutal industry.

Not everyone can fly aeroplanes (tech or cabin crew). It’s a specialised “profession” that these CEOs cannot get rich without. The fact that QF have decided to return to the table is rather telling.

you have to be joking.
who sent Virgin into administration? Who set up Compass and failed?
Who were the wizards that saw Ansett’s demise?
should I continue?

Exactly. A lot of you may not like Alan Joyce, but your airline isn’t exactly about to go into administration is it…..

How much of the farm was sold to stay liquid though?

Not sure what you mean by 'The fact that QF have decided to return to the table is rather telling'.

Pretty smart tactic by QF if they are playing hardball. Look at what the alternatives are for each party. Qantas has nothing to lose at mediation as they don't have to agree to anything. FAAA has their back to the wall as the termination process is still in place. If they don't agree with what QF has to offer there is a risk they may lose everything and end up with the modern award, which is a win for Qantas. If they come to a mediated outcome, it will probably be the outcome Qantas wants as there is no reason for Qantas to agree with anything less. If they don't come to agreement, it will give strength to the Qantas application for termination. It would be a risky strategy for the FAAA to be betting the farm on the application to terminate being dismissed and then reverting to the existing agreement that would still need to be negotiated.

There are some hard lessons to be learned here about IR strategy. Hopefully pilots can look to these lessons when having to make important industrial decisions rather than conflating the issues with the moral arguments around executive remuneration.

And hopefully VA pilots are taking special note about just exactly what could have happened. A lot of ill informed opinions were going around during the last EA vote about how a Company couldn’t / wouldn’t terminate.

The industrial landscape is as brutal as ever for airline employees in Australia with Industrial Laws stacked against employees and a pretty ‘employer friendly’ Commission.

I hope this current crop of airline management reap what they sow. This played out over Christmas at VA when cabin crew, and to a lesser extent pilots, refused to work on days off, which when combined with significant sick leave led to massive issues in crewing the flying. How long until this starts to happen at QF and then JQ?

The IR laws in this country are a joke.

They are certainly heavily geared towards the employer. The irony is that the Coalition government has left them virtually untouched since they came to power in 2013. They’re virtually the same as they were when Labor got rid of Workchoices in 2008 and introduced the Fairwork Commission.

And lets not forget that the lockout in QF happened under a Labor government and their laws also.

No, definitely not employee friendly.

Of course the question is how should a union respond to that point? I’ll leave that little hand grenade just lying in the dirt for a bit! :ok:

It certainly is and highlights that the balance of favour is firmly with employers as far as the Act is concerned. Terminate the agreement, get done over OR agree to mediation, and get done over. I feel for the FAAA. I presume termination has a good chance given the COVID situation. Unlucky cards.

they didn't need to change the laws, they just stacked the bench of umpires

Less publicity if you don't need to change laws.

Not sure what planet your living on.

Australia has one of the most employee friendly IR arrangements in the World.