Never said it is one big con job. Just asking logical questions and you gave a reasonably logical answer. But..if you’re being vaccinated for the original strain, why should you be again boosted for the original strain? Is the vaccine’s effectiveness ultra short-term? At this rate, can we see a 10th booster by this time next year? I’m fast likening this to the majority of profits made by Airbus in their maintenance/parts business..but for big pharma. So yeah, no con there. So, why then are boosters being PUSHED to combat variants? Are they withholding the “..constantly developed” batches for when the current batches are used up? Sounds like a sound business plan.
In any case, you’re right. This whole charade is not perfect. And I take a massive issue on that. 1, because we have stood our industry and livelihoods and indeed the county’s economy and personal freedoms on it’s head with a solution that hasn’t worked and most importantly 2. we’ve had to inject this crap into our bodies as many times as our employers required in order to keep working for them.

As I understand it, the current vaccines (designed for the original variant/s) still provide good long-term effectiveness against severe illness/death caused by the newer variants, but only short-term effectiveness (perhaps a month) against infection. Boosters are being 'pushed' to prevent the health system from becoming overloaded over the winter period, when other illnesses such as the 'flu are far more prevalent, resulting in more hospital admissions. They are also being pushed in an attempt to keep the number of cases (and employee absences due to isolation requirements) as low as reasonably practical.

Vaccines are not being "constantly developed [in] batches" to keep up with the new variants. The vaccines that are currently available were designed for the original variant/s and there are new vaccines under trial for one of the earlier Omicron variants (BA.3 as I recall). A multi-variant vaccine is also under development. The problem is that it takes time for new vaccines to be designed, manufactured and trialled, and the virus keeps mutating faster than new vaccines can be developed. As a result, the vaccine manufacturers and regulators are always a step or two behind the virus. It is by no means a perfect system, but it's the best we've got.

1,000,000 Americans are dead. If America had dealt with this as we did, something like 700,000 of them would still be alive. We, yes imperfectly (as is anythng) did our best under the circumstances and no doubt a lot of people are still with us as a result. Exactley who would you have been OK with dying who didn't? It DID work, every but as well as could have been hoped.
And "This crap" has been a huge part in making it work.

Oh the USA!

As you can clearly see above - The We Did It Better.

WA far tighter iron ring and vax rates v QLD far less restrictive and if I recall not even a booster program when they opened.

Yet WA has higher per capita death rate than QLD (admit QLD has had a bad week/wave, but WA will follow).

If you look it up they have had a Omnicron vax - but they do not want to use it as the virus is too similar and they fear if it is too close to the previous and after a while your imune system will think it is the same as the last & not trigger the spike protein response (crying wolf).

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-...ated/101253540

Between January 1 and June 28 there were 2,171 deaths in the state related to COVID-19, just over half of the more than 4,200 such deaths recorded in Victoria since the pandemic began
The data — provided to the ABC by Victoria's health department — showed that 799 people (37 per cent) who died during that period of time with COVID-19 had received no vaccine doses, while just 58 (3 per cent) of those who died had received four vaccine doses.

What worries me is the goalpost shifting of the outcomes of vaccination.

Early on Pfizer claimed 96% efficacy in preventing Covid infections. Now, it’s all about minimising the symptoms, not actually stopping it.

So, as I write, I’m Covid positive with three boosters (I.e. 4 jabs in total). The ONLY people, I personally know who have tested positive have also had 4 jabs. What are the odds? Should I go buy a lotto ticket?

Oh, and by the way, the symptoms are less than mild. A slight cough, croaky voice and a runny nose. 4 months ago, I caught a head cold which was many times worse and I didn’t have to self isolate.

I suspect a lot of these Covid horror stories in the news lack the inclusion of that one vital word: Co-morbidities.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-...ated/101253540

Interesting that the 799 who passed away with Covid are list in the table as "Unvaccinated/unknown". What does "unknown" mean? Unknown needs to be separated.

That was always going to happen as the virus mutated. Early on we were dealing with the Alpha strain, now we’re up to Omicron BA.5 which I believe has an R0 value around 18 compared to Alpha’s 3 and Delta’s 6. It’s basically up there with measles in terms of transmission rate.

Have you thought that maybe the reason why you only had a mild case of COVID was because of the vaccine rather than in spite of? I’ve had 3 doses and COVID was also a non event for me. For what it’s worth, I won’t be getting a 4th unless there’s a new Vaccine.

What are the odds that vaccinated people are catching COVID? Pretty bloody high given most of the population is vaccinated and we know it does little in terms of transmission of Omicron. If we’re looking at anecdotal evidence, I personally only know a single person who isn’t vaccinated and they were off work sick for nearly 3 weeks. Definitely wasn’t COVID though, if you don’t test then did you ever really have it?

Getting really tired of people overplaying co morbidities and underlying conditions as if they were a death sentence anyway. Most people who die of the Flu actually die from pneumonia caused by the Flu. Sure it’s mostly oldies, as that’s the case with any illness, it always kills the old and the sick at a higher rate. But plenty of people live perfectly healthy lives with their underlying conditions (such as asthma) before COVID came along.

I don’t support lockdowns or mandates, but we can call out political BS without trying to twist the data around vaccines.

And many others....

My god, man, you don't even know how to spell many of the words you try to use and yet you won't give up. I'm not convinced you even know what they mean. Ceaseless inanities, wrongly spelt, trying to win your internet argument. It's embarrassing. Reminds me of that Chester the Terrier in Looney Tunes, bouncing and yapping along beside, trying to get attention and never quitting. Please spare us!

I don't think English is his first language.

Actually, those posts lead to some meaningful and frank exchanges which, while not resolving all disagreements, led to some concensus and mutual repect. People able to engage and share views can often lead to some very fulfilling and interesting interactions, for those willing and able to do so.

This doesn't incluse you, obvioulsy...

I make you look foolish on one thread so you get a dig in in another.

Brave....

Again with the unnecessary aggression. I was actually defending you here.

As for the other thread, I'm not entirely sure how blowing up at other people about their 'facts', whilst being yourself completely wrong on a point of fact that would have taken you 30 seconds to google is 'making me look foolish'.

If you don't get how rude a lot of your posting is, it's not me with the communication problem.. Telling someone "You just don't understand" or a native english speaker "it's not his first language:" isn't as polite as you seem to think. When you pointed out I was in error, I imediatley thanked you for the correction, while you doubled down on being both passive aggressive and trying to say incorrect information wasn't.

Well, no offence, but you clearly didn't understand. Further, your spelling and grammar are frankly, terrible. It was because of this I believed you may not be a native speaker. I didn't assert it as fact, merely posed it as as a possibility due the manner in which you write. No offence was intended.

Perhaps if you find the notion that others suspect you of not being a native speaker offensive, construct sentences in a manner that would not lead them to conclude as such?

Yes, I did. If you fly 56 hrs/mth with Jetstar you do not get 150k, so that's not what Jetstar pay.

At times,Entirerly true. You should see my handwritting...

I accept that- but it's a bit like how I mentioned what I THOUGHT was Jetstars pay. It is however, presumptive and potentially offensive to go around questioning peoples language skills- I accept there was no offence intended.

I'm quite capable of doing so, but can't always be arsed.

Well, in my opinion and with the greatest respect, that's the part I don't think you understand. The OP was never claiming that as a literal statement of fact. I work for J*, I know the EBA. It was obvious to me and I suspect everyone else in the thread that the point wasn't "There exists a scenario where JQ will literally pay you 50k below your base". That would be factually incorrect and easily refutable, as you said. The guy was simply making an hourly rate comparison, an extremely common methodology to make apples to apples comparisons of pay between employers.

The fact he was doing that in my view, was obvious. If you had spent 10 seconds doing the math (200,813 / 75 * 56), it may have been obvious to you as well? But who knows, perhaps what is obvious to you or me isn't the same as to others, and we're making far too great an issue out of a nothing.

Perhaps we can rephrase the argument as "Airlines don't pay pilots enough", and leave it at that :)

That is Exactly what he said. 150k for 56 hours.

In the other thread you hopped in with basically guesses and unfounded claims in a fashion reminiscent, quite frankly, of someone who just wants to post something, anything, to be part of the jabber. Wouldn't it be wonderful if posts on prune contained fact and only fact instead of wild-arsed guesses dressed up as fact and people who had no idea (especially on topics like $$$) stayed out of it. It's almost as though someone's paying you by the post. Sorry but I find it hard to "repect" that sort of random, pointless and unhelpful input. I am thrilled, though, at your response time to posts on here; I wish CASA, Telstra, the ATO and my bank could be so efficient.

Weren't you complaining about others being rude toward you?

Bye.

Deary me. We certainly like making things difficult. If it's your contention that op meant specifically 150k for 56 hours, guess what. He's still right!

Go have a read of the eba. If one elects, then min guarantee drops to 56 hours a month.

I'll give you one guess as to what the base pay they will receive for those 56 hours.

Take all the time you need.